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Old 01-30-2019, 11:59 AM   #61
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I moved from California to Washington state to escape the high cost of living. I sold my trailer before I left. About 2 years later I got a notice that I owed 2 years of back registration on the same trailer even though I signed a release of liability stating that I sold it. The new owners never registered in their name since it was never going to leave their property. According to the State of California, I was on the hook for the back registration even though I had sold it and would garnish my bank account and tax refund to get it. I finally contacted a Attorney to get ‘this straightened out and in the end I didn’t pay the back registration and the state ended up paying me $2500 for my grief. If the State of California can’t get this right, amagine the grief one would go through trying to dodge high license fees if you still own it.
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Old 01-30-2019, 01:01 PM   #62
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We have a 2002 34' Classic S/0 that we bought used 7 years ago $27.5K, and have an AZ ID card, but reside in MI when not in AZ. The AZ ID, along with the purchase of the used trailer from a private party erased any sales tax due, which would have been about $2500! License plates were about $125/year, but after owning it for 2 years, I was able to to transfer the title for a MI title, also avoiding any 6% sales tax in MI! To top it all off, the license plate/registration cost $200. Forever! No more plate fees. Some years ago MI sought to grab a bunch of $$$ from trailer owners, so raised the fees to $200/lifetime from whatever it would have been yearly. It generated a lot of $$ for them initially, but no more, as long as a person keeps their trailer. Not exactly a brain trust coming up with that idea.
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Old 01-30-2019, 02:19 PM   #63
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Angry Vintage Trailers no escape from CA registration

I live in CA and my trailer is a 64 Streamline and not an AS, but I am still
paying $111 this year for my vintage trailer, which hasn't moved from its
parking spot in several years! This state taxes everything.

"If it moves, Tax It! If it doesn't move, Tax It!" is the CA motto.
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Old 01-30-2019, 02:33 PM   #64
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We used to own a park model trailer on a private water ski lake near Bakersfield CA. The trailer was a fixture on our site with the axles removed and had not moved in over 20 years but still required registration to be renewed every year with new tags being issued.
You can NON-OP a motor vehicle registration like I do with my Jeep that's currently on private property but not a trailer, go figure.
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Old 01-30-2019, 02:53 PM   #65
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It is of course just a saying.

It applies as my opinion, which is different than yours that I would rather spend my time doing more enjoyable things then trying to save money by going out of my way to register in another state just to save a few dollars.

A late model Airsteam trailer is a luxury item. Plain and simple. It is expensive. It never ceases to amaze me that some people who can afford them will complain about the cost to own them.
Agreed! In indiana your personal property tax et al is paid upon license plate purchase and subsequent annual renewal. PPT is based upon Iniana's assessed "value" of the rv. I'm still paying over 1K/yr for plates on a 2016 27FC and nearly $800.00 for insurance. Expensive toys to be sure but we use ours nearly every weekend from Apr thru mid Nov hunting season.
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Old 01-30-2019, 02:57 PM   #66
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Is anything cheap in Cali?
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Old 01-30-2019, 03:12 PM   #67
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In a word, NO...

Nothing is reasonable in California except the weather (mostly).

Every day, I'm forced to add to my already long list of reasons why I plan to finally retire in Florida...

We won't talk about the taxes, the politicians, the overcrowding, etc...those are just part of "The California Experience".

The last kid (of 4 total) is moving out this coming year, then it's going to be whip the house into sellable shape, and get outta here. The old gag about California being like "living in a bowl of granola**" is all too true.

**"What ain't fruits or flakes, is NUTS!" --George Carlin, IIRC...and no, I am neither aerodynamically nor politically correct at this point in my life...
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Old 01-30-2019, 03:34 PM   #68
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A lot of full-timers establish residency in SD by spending 1 night in a campground. There are companies that will obtain your title, maintain the licenses, forward your mail (or scan and email) as you direct them. The fees are small by comparison to some of the taxes paid in some states!
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Old 01-30-2019, 03:52 PM   #69
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Florida has a lot of parks where you can buy a lot and declare your residency that way. Then when you travel many of them allow you to rent the lot out. I see many of the lots for rent on my Florida camping pages. River Ranch Resort is a nice one I have heard of. Pricey too.
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Old 01-30-2019, 04:01 PM   #70
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Ok everyone. Just relax. Your scolding of me is just as offensive as anything I have said. I have done nothing more then to try and state my opinion. The same as others have done.

Yet some have felt the need to respond to my comments as somehow not valid. The mere fact that I believe that one should pay taxes to the primary state in which they live and park their trailer is beyond comprehension for some. It is just one opinion. Not right, not wrong. qypsydad went out of his way to invalidate my opinion (twice) and did it in a rather pretentious way (hardly respectful). Let's just put this one to rest and agree to disagree. I apologize if I have offended anyone.
And then you said: "that is a lot. Maybe you can use it to pay your annual dues to Tax Dodgers Anonymous. "

I did not purchase my AS thinking it is a luxury purchase...had 4 Airstreams now over past 12 years by the way....I have found the AS to be quite nice inside, holds up well due to build quality, and holds its value better then any TT I have seen...that's what drove/drives my decision. The fact that I can register in MT and live in TX and am able to save tax and registration money, should not bother you; really none of your business...but trying to answer other folks questions in this area...the Forum is aboubutt helping us all learn. I see your a 1 rivet kind a guy and likely new here, please don't get upset again...were all here to learn...(I hope)
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Old 01-30-2019, 04:55 PM   #71
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Just sent the renewal for plates on our 2015 AS in WA state: Under $50
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Old 01-30-2019, 05:31 PM   #72
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If you own a business in AZ (RV Park), you may be able to register the AS as an asset of the business. Then you should be able to register in AZ even though domiciled in CA. Check with your CPA to be sure, but I know a few folks who have done that without issue.
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Old 01-30-2019, 06:16 PM   #73
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This place does: https://staabagency.com/



They're the one I used.


Soooo... this seems great, and I’ve been scouring the VA code to see if there are any laws preventing this type of creative use of other states laws...

I give the county I live in roughly $1700/year because I own an AS, it is registered in VA, and garaged here. If it were registered in another state, those rules don’t apply.

What I don’t know is whether there are laws that say the tow vehicle and TT need to have registrations from the same state? (Or any other laws that would make it illegal). Any others from VA that might know?

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Old 01-30-2019, 06:35 PM   #74
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Tax evasion is illegal.
Tax avoidance is good business.
Now this is true!
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Old 01-30-2019, 08:04 PM   #75
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I Loved Playing Tax Avoidance...

What you need is something called a CPA or a Financial planner that’s also a Tax guru! That is, if you think you can find a good one that’s worth their fee. Works well for those that like the good life — on the CHEAP! Follow the lead of the upper class!! Just remember this: Don’t ask questions like this on public forums and keep your civil attorney’s phone number handy!
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Old 01-30-2019, 09:39 PM   #76
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A California person here. Registration is going to be between $200 and $300 this year for a six year old 27FB. Been camping this week, temps in the mid 60's, but drove 45 minutes up into the Sierra's to snowshoe a bit and play with the dog the snow. Came back and warmed up in the sun outside on the nice grassy campsite with a IPA while reading about a polar vortex someplace. Won't mention the young gals attempting to sunbathe a few sites over.

No question California taxes can be higher than elsewhere, but sometimes you get what you pay for.
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Old 01-30-2019, 11:34 PM   #77
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I moved from California to Washington state to escape the high cost of living. I sold my trailer before I left. About 2 years later I got a notice that I owed 2 years of back registration on the same trailer even though I signed a release of liability stating that I sold it. The new owners never registered in their name since it was never going to leave their property. According to the State of California, I was on the hook for the back registration even though I had sold it and would garnish my bank account and tax refund to get it. I finally contacted a Attorney to get ‘this straightened out and in the end I didn’t pay the back registration and the state ended up paying me $2500 for my grief. If the State of California can’t get this right, amagine the grief one would go through trying to dodge high license fees if you still own it.
You are supposed to fill out the lower half of the certificate of title with the date you sold it and to who and mail that to DMV. Never trust a buyer to transfer the title. A lot of people wind up dealing with a car they sold that is still in their name being involved in an accident. Talk about a headache.
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Old 01-30-2019, 11:38 PM   #78
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California Registration

Haven't stepped up to a real trailer as yet, but the teardrop I bought a couple of years ago cost me $19 to register in California, forever.
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Old 02-01-2019, 08:20 PM   #79
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Old 02-02-2019, 07:32 AM   #80
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I predict there will be a tsunami of folks leaving cali over the next decade or so ... most driven out by cost of living ... I really think that owning RV parks will be big business in the coming decades. Not just retirees but younger folks looking for adventure travel too, this generation doesn't want to be saddled with mortgage debt and $1m fixer homes ... you gotta pay $10-12k yr alone in property taxes in Cali on a $1m homes & then with all the fires, the cost of home insurance will become staggering. I'm hearing at today rates, people are getting 60cs on the dollar in rebuild costs. If there is a more appropriate thread on this site to discuss further, let me know !

I'd be curious to know if there are any Co-op style RV parkers, multiple owners in an association each with their own lot ... kinda like a timeshare or owner-occupier mobile home parks ..


I agree....i see growth in the RV park business going forward. Home ownership, as I see it, will become more and more a financial burden as costs of local, state, and fed government continue to rise. These costs will be captured where they know it can be captured. People will make changes based on economics, as we ALWAYS have done. More Taxes discourage an activity, less taxes encourage activity. It's not complicated.

In the future, more and more people will seek out the RV as a place to live. Why?. Because owning a home will have become too expense, and then the "luxury" item will have been converted to a "necessity"... In other words, a place to live.

In about 20 to 30 years, the government will finally wake up to this "avoidance", and people having the audacity to keep their own money.

It is at this time the governing bodies will take square aim at those of us that have done our due diligence in trying to stay out of their "attention"., And trying to live simpler uncluttered lives. They will tax and secure money from "us" ... Because we dared to venture out and pursue a bit of our pioneer spirit.
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