Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 02-15-2006, 09:26 AM   #15
Rivet Monster
 
wahoonc's Avatar

 
1975 31' Sovereign
1980 31' Excella II
Sprung Leak , North Carolina
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 7,174
Images: 40
Hey Jim,
Does WV slap a penalty on if you don't transfer the title with in a certain period of time? If so I would make the dealer pay for that too. In NC IIRC you have 30 days to transfer title and pay taxes, if it goes over that there is a $250 fine, plus all the other fees and taxes involved.

Aaron
__________________

__________________
....so many Airstreams....so little time...
WBCCI #XXXX AIR #2495
Why are we in this basket...and where are we going
wahoonc is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-15-2006, 10:33 AM   #16
Rivet Master
 
2006 30' Classic
Farmington , New Mexico
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 822
Images: 14
Jim ---nothing personal but one of the problems you have here is that you're a NICE GUY!!!! If you went to a store, bought grocerys, and the clerk said they would send them to you in a couple weeks what would you do?? I see little difference. They have your money ,you should have the product!! I bought a used truck from a dealer last oct. The Title clerk tryed to put me off as they were busy. I told them I wasn't leaving with out the title and asked where I could sleep while I wait. At this point I would put the trailer under lock and key. Who ever has the tiltle in THEIR name is the OWNER!!!
Possession is nine tenths of the law.----Pieman
__________________

__________________
Mike Lewis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-15-2006, 11:00 AM   #17
Rivet Master
 
JimGolden's Avatar
 
Vintage Kin Owner
1977 31' Excella 500
Berkeley Springs , West Virginia
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,619
Images: 7
Aaron, I don't know the answer to your question. I don't think so as many people do delay registering stuff like this. Maybe they just don't get caught? I will certainly look into this.

And yes, I have been too nice here. The GM is from my home town and I vaguely rememer him from high school. I have friends that are friends with some of his people so I've tried not to get too mean. But that's no excuse for letting them string me on like this. It's all about to change soon though.
__________________
- Jim
JimGolden is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-15-2006, 11:21 AM   #18
3 Rivet Member
Commercial Member
 
Jim Jarzabek's Avatar
 
1950 25' Cruiser
Currently Looking...
Currently Looking...
Lebanon , Ohio
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 238
Images: 16
Arrow Try this....

Do you want your title or do you want your money back?

At this point, forget lawyers and courts. That takes time and money. Because you are in a transaction with a dealer, they probably have a license and are regulated by the state. Try filing a complaint with the regulatory agency....

To get your money back and return the motorhome, go to the law enforcement agency that regulates where the dealership is located (police or county sheriff). Go in. Don't call. Have them take a felony theft report, you may have to insist. Once the dealership is contacted you will most likely get a full refund.

Good luck!
__________________
Jim Jarzabek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-15-2006, 02:07 PM   #19
Rivet Master
 
ALANSD's Avatar

 
1966 26' Overlander
Woodstock , Georgia
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 8,462
Unfortunatley, this is not uncommon. Dealers sometimes do not pay off a vehicle traded in ith a lien on it, and don't get the title until they do. They sell it prior to that and the title gets lost in the ozone.
If the p.o. never signed any title transfer paperwork it could be a big mess ...however the state department that handles titles there should be able to track down the title info...see if it has or had a lien, and see where it is being held. If it is an older model and you have the correct paperwork, they might issue a title based on that to you.
I would ask to speak to the title clerk at the dealership and not the sale manager...I was one a while ago...they usually do not have any idea what is up with the title paperwork.
__________________
1966 Overlander
AIR #005
Please visit our blogs and web pages:
OUR AIRSTREAM PASSION! BLOG
RESTORING AN AIRSTREAM
Our AIRSTREAM and TIN CAN TOURIST Rallys
ALANSD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-15-2006, 03:56 PM   #20
_
 
. , .
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 8,812
hi folks

good grief and good luck jim....

one thought i have is that if the rig wasn't registered for a year or 3, property taxes may still be due on those years....how much money is due and who is gonna pay? sure the back taxes are the responsibility of the owner at the time....but now, who is it that is most motivated to fix things....you or the dealer?

this could take longer than you might imagine....and while it's nice to have professional relatives.....you often get what you pay for with professional services....cedars has laid out a great approach that should have started months ago...

keep us updated as to what happens....we all can learn alot (like winter living in the ozarks) about this issue

this happens so often and is such an important issue when buying used....that this thread should become a sticky/faq with a better heading, like......."securing the title on a used trailers....how to do it and what not to do."

i sure hope you have a good receipt for that cash purchase...

cheers
2air'
__________________
2airishuman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-15-2006, 04:00 PM   #21
The Hawk's Lair
 
cooperhawk's Avatar
 
1985 34.5' Airstream 345
BACK WOODS , Minnesota
Join Date: Dec 2002
Posts: 922
Images: 9
When I lived in Virginia I had a title mutilated (ex wife) and had to be re-issued in able to sell the trailer. The bank that held the lein and I were able to get that done. It can be done but I don't remember just all the details.
__________________
AKA THE GUNNER
There is no "I" in the word "team," but there are four in "Platitude Quoting Idiot!"

AIRSTREAM 345 TURBO-DIESEL
VFW, LEGION, NRA


cooperhawk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-15-2006, 05:30 PM   #22
Rivet Master
 
JimGolden's Avatar
 
Vintage Kin Owner
1977 31' Excella 500
Berkeley Springs , West Virginia
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,619
Images: 7
Well don't slam me too hard for being too nice. Fool me once, shame on them. Fool me twice, shame on me. I won't be fooled again. First RV purchase.

A friend of mine suggested an idea similar to the one above about telling the sheriff I suspect it's stolen and seeing if they'd look into it. Said they'd probably extend that to checking out all the RVs sold by the place, many of which are used, and that could take months. Of course no transactions could be conducted during this time so it'd put them out of business.

I didn't want to get like that. But it might come to that. I'm starting to think now I shouldn't have given them until next Wednesday. I may get my lawyer uncle to send them a letter now. If they still don't reply, then I do some of the harsher ideas mentioned on here.

Thanks for the advice!
__________________
- Jim
JimGolden is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-15-2006, 05:55 PM   #23
3 Rivet Member
Commercial Member
 
Jim Jarzabek's Avatar
 
1950 25' Cruiser
Currently Looking...
Currently Looking...
Lebanon , Ohio
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 238
Images: 16
To clarify...

What is suggested was to go in to the local law enforcement office in person, ask to file a felony theft report, insist on speaking to an investigating officer or a detective. Bring your paperwork. Tell them you have no title and the dealer has your money. Don't let them try and tell you it is a civil matter.

The same day or the day after, the officer will make a call to the dealership. Faced with a felony theft report and possible investigation, you will either get your money back or a title from the dealership.

Do you want to legally own this? Do you want to be able to sell it again someday? If part of your contract involved a title transfer and that did not take place, you do not own this.....
__________________
Jim Jarzabek is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-15-2006, 06:03 PM   #24
Rivet Master
 
JimGolden's Avatar
 
Vintage Kin Owner
1977 31' Excella 500
Berkeley Springs , West Virginia
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,619
Images: 7
Jim,

That's a good idea and I may very well do it. The only hitch is that I've put more money into it as well as a ton of my labor. So, I'd actually want more than just a refund. I'd want a refund plus my labor plus my other expenditures on it. And that's what I told the GM. Either give me a refund plus my time plus my extra outlay, or get me the title now.

I'd rather just have the title so I can carry on with my mods. But you're right, I don't own it now.

I'll keep everyone posted on this. I should have asked for advice sooner.
__________________
- Jim
JimGolden is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-15-2006, 06:45 PM   #25
Rivet Master
 
1992 34' Limited
Falls Church , Virginia
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 945
Small towns and crummy deals

Jim -

You mentioned that you live in a small town and remember being in HS with the GM of this dealership. I would start asking around town about the business practices of this place - my $ would be on the fact you will likely find others with similar experiences in and around town. It really is sort of a shame that people don't speak up LOUDLY about being jerked around, ripped off and treated badly, when they deal with places/ people like this. I think that it mainly has to be with embarrasment - feeling foolish. I say GET MAD!

Sorry to hear that you have had a bad time of it with this AS and its paperwork. Stay after them and let EVERYONE you know hear about this place. There is no reason, based on your experience, that you shouldn't or can't spread the joy around of thier treatement of you. I know that small town WV (or anywhere) can be an interesting place to live. Take advantage of that small town, and that folks LOVE hearing about others in town.... Smile!

Make em sweat!

Good luck!

Axel
__________________
SilverToy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2006, 04:41 PM   #26
Rivet Master
 
JimGolden's Avatar
 
Vintage Kin Owner
1977 31' Excella 500
Berkeley Springs , West Virginia
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,619
Images: 7
Today I got my Title

Today I got my title. It has only taken nearly six months.

I sent a nasty gram to the owner of the dealership a couple weeks ago and gave him until Wednesday the 22nd of February to either get me the title, refund my money plus some for the work I've done, or meet me in court. He called me up on Tuesday the 21st and said he'd personally driven down to the PO's place in Maryland and gotten the title. His title girl was supposed to mail it to me on Tuesday afternoon. I spoke to her that day and she told me she was putting it in the mail right then.

She sent me an email yesterday evening late saying she was going to UPS 2nd day it. I'm thinking "What happened to Tuesday?" But then she emails me one minute later before I could reply and says "How about a personal delivery?" and then telephones me to ask the same. I told her that would be wonderful. Today, the father of the owner came by and hand delivered my title. He was very apologetic about the entire affair.

From what I gather, it was not the GM/Owner who screwed up. He gave this to his title clerk and told her to take care of it and that girl messed things up. Whatever the case, the squeaky wheel (that admittedly took way too long to squeak) got the grease. The GM was very apologetic about the whole thing and I understand that title girl got chewed out pretty good. I guess shame on him for not running a tighter ship than he does, and shame on me for allowing it to go on for way too long. But, in the end when he saw what was going on, the GM made it right. I now own my Airstream, and can continue on.

For those that are interested, the name of the dealership is Outdoor Express RV, in Falling Waters, WV. They're right by the MD border. They are not an Airstream dealer, but rather sell several SOB's there new. My trailer was on the lot as a favor to a friend of the GM.

At any rate, I won't badmouth them too much. It was ludicrous to take this long, but the guy did make it right when I pressed him. He'd thought the title girl had taken care of it months ago. I bet he watches her a little more closely now. I don't think he's going to do any more consignment deals for his buddies either.

I have learned a valuable lesson here. I will not buy another one unless the title is clear and in front of me!!!!

Let the Mon-Stream creation begin!
__________________
- Jim
JimGolden is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2006, 05:25 PM   #27
Rivet Master
 
rebel beck's Avatar
 
1975 31' Sovereign
Oxford , Mississippi
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 870
Images: 35
Jim,
So glad you got it. I was telling my husband about it the other night and we had to share a laugh on our part. We drove 500 miles to pick up our Airstream, paid cash, hooked up and left about 100 miles down the road I looked over at my husband and asked him did he get the title, he looked at me with this dumb look and said no, I thought you did. Anyway when we got home the seller had left a msg and I called him back and he mailed it to us.
See what happens when you are so excited about getting your first Airstream.



Becky
__________________
rebel beck is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-25-2006, 06:37 PM   #28
We can tow it!
 
tin sista's Avatar
 
1996 28' Excella
Where the water tastes like wine , Michigan
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,625
Images: 82
Smile Good for you Jim....

Sorry you had that experience, glad its resolved.
As a side note in defense of sisters in the workplace...no disrespect intended...
I gotta say Jim, based on experience, stuff rolls down hill in offices, I'm kinda thinking the 'title girl' took the fall for someone else... Most office assistants, imho, are more organized than their bosses, how many times do you see the boss organizing his secretary's desk? Reminding the secretary of the appointments etc.?
__________________

__________________
Steph in MI Air# 6996-
I Hockeytown USA!!
tin sista is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:29 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.