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Old 01-25-2011, 09:17 AM   #15
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Hi Lindy:

Because your trailer is from out of state, you will have to have its VIN verified in any event (even if it had an Oregon title). Maybe Sheriff Mike can do the VIN verification for you. Then, if you can get your Oregon bill of sale notarized in Oregon by the seller (or get a new notarized bill of sale from the Oregon seller) you won't have to post a bond or get an appraisal from a RV dealer (which is used only to determine the amount of the bond if required) because your trailer is more than 25 years old.

If I am able to get a notarized bill of sale, will I still have to do an Oregon title search because it had Oregon plates? I'd like to not have to post a bond or get an appraisal.

Another possibility to get around the Oregon "problem": If I "sell" the trailer to my husband (who has a different last name) and gave HIM a notarized bill of sale (which would be much easier to do than trying to get an Oregon one), then could HE apply for a colorado plate without a bond or appraisal? I'm sure Sheriff Mike will verify the VIN for me.
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Old 01-25-2011, 09:49 AM   #16
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Does your trailer still have the manufacturers plate with the VIN number on it?
Where would it be? The only long number I could find was on the tongue of the trailer. When I sent that # to Airstream for more info on the trailer, they said that wasn't an AS VIN number.

There is a little plate by the door with the serial number: 18DS-0286, CA 160
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Ms. McDog,

That is the VIN. It stands for 18ft, double, built in Santa Fe Springs, serial 0286. Later on, like in 1969, they added the last digit of the year in between the D and S, and they put a model identifier up front, as in I=International, E=Exella, and L=Land Yacht. You'll find a lot of titles are wrong because the stamp wasn't clear and there is confusion on the letter "I" and the numeral "1", also "S" and "5" were confused.

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If I am able to get a notarized bill of sale, will I still have to do an Oregon title search because it had Oregon plates? I'd like to not have to post a bond or get an appraisal.
You should not have to do an Oregon title search unless you are trying to obtain an Oregon title in lieu of an Oregon notarized bill of sale. That's a wholly different route, so I would not worry about that unless you decide to go in that different direction.

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Another possibility to get around the Oregon "problem": If I "sell" the trailer to my husband (who has a different last name) and gave HIM a notarized bill of sale (which would be much easier to do than trying to get an Oregon one), then could HE apply for a colorado plate without a bond or appraisal? I'm sure Sheriff Mike will verify the VIN for me.
The law is not always easy and I have no opinion on your idea. You might first want to review the DMV forms necessary to accompany a non-bond "bonded" title application and see what they require in the way of an explanation of facts that are sworn to in an affidavit made under penalty of perjury. Perhaps a straight-forward recital of the facts would suffice; perhaps not. The bond -- which is not required here because of vehicle age -- indemnifies only the DMV (not the buyer; its not for the buyer's benefit) if someone sues them for having issued a certificate of title for a stolen vehicle. Here, because of age and presumed low value, the state is not requiring the buyer to bond it before it issues a title certificate based on his or her word. Again, doing the right thing may not always be easy, but its still the right thing. Getting the VIN verified by Sheriff Mike is a separate and simple matter that has to be done in any event, so it is not a decisive factor.
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. . There is a little plate by the door with the serial number: 18DS-0286, CA 160
Yes, the first 8 numerals and digits (with dash) is your VIN, so have Mike verify "18DS-0286" as the VIN during his inspection.

The "CA 160" should be on a separate line (or distinctly separated) and is not part of your VIN. It indicates your trailer was built in California (CA) during January 1960 (160).
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The law is not always easy and I have no opinion on your idea. You might first want to review the DMV forms necessary to accompany a non-bond "bonded" title application and see what they require in the way of an explanation of facts that are sworn to in an affidavit made under penalty of perjury. Perhaps a straight-forward recital of the facts would suffice; perhaps not. The bond -- which is not required here because of vehicle age -- indemnifies only the DMV (not the buyer; its not for the buyer's benefit) if someone sues them for having issued a certificate of title for a stolen vehicle. Here, because of age and presumed low value, the state is not requiring the buyer to bond it before it issues a title certificate based on his or her word. Again, doing the right thing may not always be easy, but its still the right thing. Getting the VIN verified by Sheriff Mike is a separate and simple matter that has to be done in any event, so it is not a decisive factor.
The seller will get me a notarized bill of sale in the mail tomorrow! I can now sleep soundly knowing that I'm doing this the right way.

Sheriff Mike will send somebody out next week to verify the VIN.

Stay tuned...

And THANKS for all the help! This forum absolutely WONDERFUL!

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The seller will get me a notarized bill of sale in the mail tomorrow! I can now sleep soundly knowing that I'm doing this the right way. Sheriff Mike will send somebody out next week to verify the VIN. Stay tuned... And THANKS for all the help! This forum absolutely WONDERFUL! Lindy
Hi Lindy:

It's great to learn you now have all your Oregon ducks lined up. You might download from the Colorado DMV web site the correct form for the Sheriff's deputy to complete when verifying the VIN just in case he doesn't bring it with him; you can never be too prepared. Doing all this should make it easy for the Colorado DMV to issue you a certificate of title. When dealing with bureaucracies, the best approach is to make it as easy as possible for them to approve your application. Good luck and Happy Travelering!

You and hubby should consider joining a bunch of us for a TCT Rally in Canon City on May 19-22nd. Details on the Enchanted Encampment, 3rd Annual TCT Rally, can be found here:

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You and hubby should consider joining a bunch of us for a TCT Rally in Canon City on May 19-22nd. Details on the Enchanted Encampment, 3rd Annual TCT Rally, can be found here:

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Oh darn! we would love to join you at the TCT Rally but we will be, hopefully, taking a maiden voyage in our little jewel to Texas for my (gasp!) 50th class reunion.
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update

The deputy came to the house, did a VIN inspection, completed the form. It wasn't the right form (I had printed up the right form but wasn't here when he inspected it).

I took the right form with the deputy's inspection to the sheriff's office to get them to put it on the right form. Was told they couldn't do the CERTIFIED VIN inspection - that had to be done by state police.

I called the state police in Alamosa to see if the officer could come to the house to inspect it. Nope. I have to take the trailer to Alamosa (an hour away) to have it inspected AND they just do inspections once a month. There was an inspection on the 1st but there was also a snowstorm and I don't yet have a spare tire so I missed that one. The next inspection date is Feb. 28 and I'll be in D.C. that week. That means I can't get it done until sometime in March - a date as yet unknown.

SURELY, someplace else can do the CERTIFIED inspection!

Ah, bureaucracy!
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Some other ideas . . .

C.R.S. section 42-107(1)(b), Certificates of Title - Contents, states:

(b) The department may require those vehicle-related entities specified by regulation to verify information concerning a vehicle through the physical inspection of such vehicle. The information required to be verified by such a physical inspection shall include the vehicle identification number or numbers, the make of vehicle, the vehicle model, the type of vehicle, the year of manufacture of such vehicle, the type of fuel used by such vehicle, the odometer reading of such vehicle, and such other information as may be required by the department. For the purposes of this paragraph (b), "vehicle-related entity" means an authorized agent or designated employee of such agent, a Colorado law enforcement officer, a licensed Colorado dealer, a licensed inspection and readjustment station, or a licensed diesel inspection station.

Do diesel trucks in your county have to be inspected for emissions, or is that only in the lovely Front Range where I live? Do you have a Colorado motor vehicle dealer in your county or nearby? If so, give them a call. I once had the title gal from a local RV dealer (since closed) come to my house and verify the VIN on an out-of-state Airstream I bought. It cost me $100 but the convenience was worth the cost.

The Colorado DMV web site states:

If the vehicle was titled in another state, fill out the Verification of Vehicle Identification Number form, completed by either:
  • A Colorado law enforcement office
  • A licensed Colorado motor vehicle dealer
  • A licensed Colorado emissions testing station
Maybe this will give you some ideas for options other than a Colorado LEO. Good luck!
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Do diesel trucks in your county have to be inspected for emissions, or is that only in the lovely Front Range where I live? Do you have a Colorado motor vehicle dealer in your county or nearby? If so, give them a call. I once had the title gal from a local RV dealer (since closed) come to my house and verify the VIN on an out-of-state Airstream I bought. It cost me $100 but the convenience was worth the cost.

The Colorado DMV web site states:

If the vehicle was titled in another state, fill out the Verification of Vehicle Identification Number form, completed by either:
  • A Colorado law enforcement office
  • A licensed Colorado motor vehicle dealer
  • A licensed Colorado emissions testing station
Maybe this will give you some ideas for options other than a Colorado LEO. Good luck!
Nope, no emissions inspections in this area. And no motor vehicle dealers in the whole county. There is an RV dealer in Salida that I've bought parts from so maybe they would be willing to come inspect it. Or I guess I could take it to them since they will be installing a new axle one of these days.

I'm going to call other DMV's in the area (Del Norte, Salida, Canon City) this morning to see if they do certified inspections more than once/month. I found out I only have 45 days from the date of sale to get it certified so I've got to do something. Fortunately, the seller did get me a notarized bill of sale and dated it in January instead of when I bought it in September.
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I have paid $25.00 per vehicle to have either a deputy sheriff or CHP officer come to the house for certified VIN inspections on out of state purchases. On one car, the deputy had filled out the wrong form. Called him and arranged to meet him in town and he filled out the correct form.
There are no emissions testing stations except for Denver and Colorado Springs.
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I have paid $25.00 per vehicle to have either a deputy sheriff or CHP officer come to the house for certified VIN inspections on out of state purchases. On one car, the deputy had filled out the wrong form. Called him and arranged to meet him in town and he filled out the correct form.
There are no emissions testing stations except for Denver and Colorado Springs.
I paid $10 for the deputy to come out and give me the wrong form. Then the sheriff's office said they couldn't just put the info on the Certified form - that can only be done by "trained" inspectors. I found out there is an inspector in Salida but he won't come over the hill to Saguache. I'll have to take the trailer to him. He's supposed to call back this afternoon so we can set up a time and place.

Apparently Saguache is in the Alamosa district but the Alamosa guy won't come here either and only holds inspections once/month. The next one is past my 45 day deadline.

This all seems a little ridiculous to me. I guess they could make the process harder but I'm not sure how.
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All very similar to what we went through here in Longmont for a home-made utility trailer with title, but not signed off on correctly AND there was a hole through the vin# stamped on the tongue. You have to jump through the hoops, do what they tell you, pay the $, and eventually you'll get your legal Colorado title. Hang in there, it will happen! -tim
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