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Old 10-01-2009, 01:16 PM   #15
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OK Dan...

How much is Bud, how much is optimism?

Your proposition was interesting enough to make me do some mental gymnastics. Here are a few wild ideas. If I were a restorer with a huge barn or garage and lots of neat power tools, I'd still only pay a maximum of $1,000 - $1,500 for a unit. That is the salvage value of scrap Aluminum, the axles, rims and tires. (If I got fed up or grossed out early, I could recoup the investment at a scrap yard.)

My first thought is that I wouldn't touch a unit that had anything except a bare aluminum interior. Taking out Flying Cloud/Safari "mouse fur" or Classic wall vinyl and all that drapery - projectile vomitus AND lots of extra labor, plus damage to interior skins.

Then I thought, what would I really keep & what would have to go?



Salvageables:
  1. shell including door, screens, garage door(s), bumper storage, tail light surrounds
  2. stabilizer jacks
  3. Curved doors for overhead cabinets, surround for the lobster bowl sink - On CCD/Safari-Flying cloud these are NOT wood of any kind, they are foam core and if not damaged could be sanitized and reused.
  4. slinky hose carrier
  5. folding steps
  6. axles, brakes, wheels, tires
  7. toilet if porcelain, plastic MAYBE
  8. sinks
  9. towel racks/toilet paper holder, soap dish, toothbrush holder (naw, I'd throw out the toothbrush holder just cause the idea is gross)
  10. stovetop - maybe but new isn't THAT expensive
  11. drawer pulls and closet handles
  12. sliding plexiglas doors if a CCD
  13. possibly overhead cabinets - let your nose be your guide
  14. hinges (those euro hinges are expensive) and screws that didn't strip when removing them
  15. PEX Plumbing & Black gray and white water tanks - Shock with strong clorox solution inside and out, rinse thoroughly, fill, add white vinegar
  16. faucets - after replacing filters, sprayers & sprayer hoses
  17. fiberglass shower surround,
  18. shower door, if undamaged
  19. propane tanks
  20. Air conditioner
  21. Fantastic fan(s)
  22. medicine cabinet?
Replace:
  • all propane lines, probably the tank regulator and it's lines
  • tongue jack
  • water pump
  • all exterior lights - I'd keep the taillight surrounds though
  • all electrical wiring
  • TV, speakers, DVD player - all entertainment components
  • inverter
  • refrigerator
  • stove top
  • oven and or convection/microwave
  • furnace
  • water heater
  • all interior furniture with possible exception of overhead cabinets
  • all cushions, pillows mattresses and upholstery
  • all window coverings
  • most seals - fuzzy ones around window operators especially
  • floor/carpet/vinyl/door jambs, etc.
  • all light fixtures with possible exception of ones in ceiling
  • all outlets 12 volt and 120
  • please GOD let your salvage be a CCD or "SE" Safari/Flying Cloud with no covering on interior skin - if not you'll probably foul up a few of the interior skins getting them out. LOTS more labor removing interior skins too.
  • all Airstream factory giveaways - floor mat, cheap slinky, plastic silverware tray
  • all drawer slides and closet rods
BIG Garage or barn is a must. Making full sized patterns of furniture & walls, etc might be a good idea before throwing old ones out. Could save a lot of trial and error fitting wherever you're not redesigning the interior. Immediately after cleaning the empty shell, I would treat every rivet, rivet hole, and edge of every aluminum piece with anti-corrosion spray sold by Airstream to stop filoform which would be accellerated by soaking in toxic soup.

I'm sure with enough labor some of the appliances like the oven and stove top could be saved - but they'd have to be taken apart, cleaned and reassembled. I had an oven door hinge partially fail on my 2006 - cheap construction again. I had to take the door apart completely and reset the springs. It should have been a two person job - without help it took an hour. With help it would have been 10 minutes - just needed 3 hands, not two. Labor and time, and the value of your time. If someone will pay you $20 an hour to work for them, then that's what your labor is costing you... and at least part of the time, you'll really need an extra hand so that's probably what you'll end up paying someone to help YOU now and then.

Lastly - Dumpsters aren't "FREE" disposal sites. Unless your community or FEMA provides public dumpsters, be honest and don't use your local grocery store or furniture outlet's dumpster. Many dumpsters are now recycle specific - especially for clean cardboard and kitchen grease. You cost a business owner big bucks if you dump your stuff into one of these. Our business has a small dumpster that we have to keep locked just to prevent people from using it for their big trash - Costs $65 per month.

When I was redoing an old house years ago, I had to pay $300 for a large construction dumpster - then when neighbors threw out couches, washing machines, 500 lbs of kitty litter (why would anyone hoard THAT?), etc. I had to pay to have it dumped at least twice more than the house waste should have cost. I'm sure my neighbors weren't malicious. One even admitted he'd used it and gave me $50 after I complained at a neighborhood watch meeting. So ask for permission and offer to pay for the space before you dump, or cut it up small and put it out with your trash for WEEKS!

So... there's my brainstorm contribution.

Are you REALLY going to do this?

Best of luck, Paula
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Old 10-02-2009, 04:47 PM   #16
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For some reason I find this thread compelling. Kinda like a terrible car wreck.. I look in morbid fascination, yet I know I'll be going eeeewh! if I see some blood and gore.

Will anyone really restore one of these flooded Airstreams?

The more I think about it, restoring one of these would be like working inside the world's largest black tank! If you're a sanitation engineer maybe it's not tough sh**.... but no.

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Old 10-02-2009, 07:35 PM   #17
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Oh come on! It's not that bad

A little background about my childhood......

My families home happens to be the lowest home in the city of Lorain. We are about 100 yards from lake erie. A iron ore shipping dock was between us.

Due to some piss pour civil engineering, our basement turned into a "holding tank" for raw sewage. We're talking 6 feet deep. That is a lot of *(*^!

28 years, and $8,000,000 later, phase I of the repair is complete. Phase II is scheduled for 5 years and $6,000,000. These figures are not exagerated.

So, yea, I would take on a flooded trailer. Just pretend your giving life back to the needy
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Old 10-02-2009, 08:10 PM   #18
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...Then I thought, what would I really keep & what would have to go?...


Salvageables:
axles, ...

Best of luck, Paula
I suspect the axles have filled with water and rust from the inside...
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Old 10-05-2009, 09:41 AM   #19
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Oh come on! It's not that bad

A little background about my childhood......

My families home happens to be the lowest home in the city of Lorain. We are about 100 yards from lake erie. A iron ore shipping dock was between us.

Due to some piss pour civil engineering, our basement turned into a "holding tank" for raw sewage. We're talking 6 feet deep. That is a lot of *(*^!

28 years, and $8,000,000 later, phase I of the repair is complete. Phase II is scheduled for 5 years and $6,000,000. These figures are not exagerated.

So, yea, I would take on a flooded trailer. Just pretend your giving life back to the needy
I agree with you Dan. I do not think it would be that bad. I have seen my neighbor bring home a few vehicles now that have been in flash floods and one that was submerged 17' in Lake Mitchel (Cadillac MI). He brought the submerged truck home on a Thursday and it was cleaned and running on that Sunday. The truck is still on the road and has traveled in excess of 100,000 miles basically problem free. A trailer I understand is a different animal but it may not be that bad. For me I think the biggie would be the floor condition and if it is warped or deteriorated in any way. The rest is clean, blow-out, bleach, and replace if needed. I doubt the electrical is permanantly harmed unless it is was "hot" at the time.
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We had a customer buy a nearly new Mercedes S-Class that found its way into the hudson. I dont know much about the details. The car arrived here in Calif still wet. Not sure how long it was in the river but he got a "Steal". Those were his first words. We told him it would be time and materials. We tried to discourage him as this would be impossible to predict with all the electronics and wiring. Although the car looked beautiful on the outside things were beginning to corrode. The final bill was in the 40k range. He will also live with phantom problems throughout the vehicles life cycle. unfortunately these cars now sell at the auction for about the same price (and have not been flooded) A trailer I might consider but a vehicle can get really expensive.

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I'd consider buying one. I have rebuild our house which had the basement flooded and full of mold - price paid was essentially for the price of the lot it sit's on. Tore out the entire inside. Scrubbed every stud down with professional remediation products, had the inside surfaces/air tested and it was deemed clean. Rebuilt the house and am now living in it.
When I rebuild my trailer it was essentially the same cleaning tasks - I cleaned/painted/refurbed ever part of the trailer I touched.
Let us know if any actually come up for sale. Sounds like a fun project to me!
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Old 10-05-2009, 01:53 PM   #22
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I do not see the advantage of spending 5k on a new shell versus a vintage shell. The job is identical using either shell.

Just out of curiosity, Dan did you look at the way those new units are constructed? I would not even consider doing what you are when for the same money you could have a nice vintage rig.
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Hmmm.....

Hypothetical Question Ahead:

For $5,000 would you purchase:

A: A perfect condition 2007 safari with the interior removed to the skins, with good axles, frame & lights (basically looks great on the outside)

b: A perfect condition 1967 safari with the interior removed to the skins, with good axles, frame & lights (basically looks great on the outside)

c: Neither, I wouldn't spend $5,000 on a gutted Airstream
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Old 10-05-2009, 02:49 PM   #24
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C. my answer is C.

How ever I would:

A) pay $5000 for a 1967 Safari in fair condition. Knowing full well that it needs everything from the axles up no matter what the seller says. I would also know full well that most everything does not work and when stuff does I would be very happy to find this out.

B) pay $5000 for a fair condition anything pre 1958 and be very happy if anything worked and if anything was inside knowing once again that it needs everything from the axles up.

C) allow you to pay me $5000 to take one of those new trailers flooded in Atlanta.
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I guess that's the question - what do you gain by starting with a new shell? Front panaromic windows were available on 80s ASs and older Argosies. The newer floorplans are neat, but if you're talking a gut job, you could install that in an older trailer. (Maybe some of the plumbing would be in the right place, say if you wanted a side bath.) You're throwing out all of the new surface finishes and appliances anyway.

Of course, different stokes for different folks.

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Height...the late models have more headroom.
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I might take on one of those - I do think $5000. is too much. I thinlk the $1000 to $1500 is closer to the figure. I am about to start working on my 71 Overlander from the Tires up. Big job but I can handle it - I have my shop cleaned out and ready but the drive in door is too short - I am going to put a carport out front for the TT. Put everything I take out it in the shop.
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I might take on one of those - I do think $5000. is too much. I thinlk the $1000 to $1500 is closer to the figure. I am about to start working on my 71 Overlander from the Tires up. Big job but I can handle it - I have my shop cleaned out and ready but the drive in door is too short - I am going to put a carport out front for the TT. Put everything I take out it in the shop.

Yes... that's what I figure. $1000 - $15000 is plenty. Salvage value for the aluminum!

We should perhaps ask what Airstream sells empty shells for (we know they do sell them, just not to individuals, only to businesses which can demonstrate a plan to build a balanced and safe unit.)


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