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Old 01-12-2007, 10:41 PM   #1
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The *TRUE* Cost of Restoration

We never hear too much about what we spend on our restorations. I don't know if its because we spend too much and we don't want to admit it .

Or if its the fact that it really doesn't matter since its not about money .

Durring the restoration of my '71 Safari from July 2001 through when I sold it in May of 2006, I kept detailed records as best I could of what I spent on the trailer. Everything from the purchase price to registration at the DMV.

I thought I'd post it here for those thinking of doing a restoration. Keep in mind my '71 was a basket case, meaning it needed all new appliances, and new soft goods, etc.... However no major frame or floor work was needed.

Also, I did all the work myself. The price would be dramatically higher had I dropped it off at a resotoration shop and waited for it to be done .

Here are my records. Attached as a text file to retain formatting.
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Old 01-12-2007, 11:36 PM   #2
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Was it a "ZEROSUM" Gain??

Tim,I see were you spent say 9K total over about five years. The question would be, "What did you get out of the trailer?" Not just in terms of a "sales" price? But, in total? By that I mean, enjoyment, savings of not staying in a hotel to go on vacation, doing something that most will never do, etc... This is why I had a tag on my 66 Overlander of "ZEROSUM". I felt the "amount lost was equal to the amount gained" or should I say, "ZEROSUM". I'm glad I don't keep those good of records for mine, I'd hate for the wife to see the total cost of owning 4 Airstreams. Maybe someday I'll round our the whole 1966 year!66 Globetrotter, 66 Safari, 66 Overlander, 70 Safari Special
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Old 01-13-2007, 12:04 AM   #3
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Paul,

Without a doubt it was worth it. Which is why I'm doing it again!

The enjoyment it brings to the family is worth every penny. I realize that even more with the absense of a usable trailer this past summer. Plus the pratical side of the cost of camping allows us to go on more trips per year then without a trailer.

I'm on a very tight schedule that I had better get this *new* trailer up and running for this summer!

I just wanted to let new vintage owners realize sometimes the purchase price is an entry fee. A small percentage of a completed trailer if that's their goal.
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Old 01-13-2007, 12:26 AM   #4
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well...

Having heard so much about how much trailer restoration ultimately costs, I have to say I thought the final number would be higher. Of course, given my colorful relationship with curved glass, my cost in dollars will most likely exceed that. I'm still convinced it's worth it in the long run. Ever forward! (When I get a bunch of cash).
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Old 01-13-2007, 01:58 AM   #5
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You mean someone actually got finished? I thought this was like having children, or the energizer bunny, it just keeps going and going and going. Possibly that's because I could never entertain the idea of getting rid of my Twink. I just keep giving him new "stuff" and he keeps giving me so much camping pleasure.
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Old 01-13-2007, 04:52 AM   #6
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Very Brave Tim!

You are a brave man! Keeping true cost is something I'm not up to. Especially the hours spent of my time. We're restoring the '70 Safari and my whole two weeks during the winter holiday were spent inside, over, or under the silver rocket. Yes, I loved every minute of it and it was the most relaxing vacation ever (never thought of what I needed to do at work , only saw more things to do on the AS ).

Cheers to you!
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Old 01-13-2007, 05:32 AM   #7
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Nice job! Looks like you scored a few tools too. I like retoring/fixing thing so I can get new toys on the way to fixin it
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Old 01-13-2007, 06:29 AM   #8
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I have made money so to speak

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... The question would be, "What did you get out of the trailer?" ...I mean, enjoyment, savings of not staying in a hotel to go on vacation, doing something that most will never do, etc. .. I felt the "amount lost was equal to the amount gained" or should I say, "ZEROSUM"...
I like Paul's way of thinking about it. Thanks to Quicken software, I too know how much money has gone into the refurbishment of my Airstream. My wife & I balance the cost of Airstream manintenance against the cost of going to Disney World.

Our first trip to Disney almost paid for the original refurbishment in what we saved by not staying in an on-site hotel. Disney trip number two more than made up the difference. The new axles installed before trip number three were "paid" for halfway through the vacation.

The cool thing is that we prefer to vacation in my Overlander. The money we save by not staying in motels is just a pleasant bonus.

On the flip side though, I wonder how many trips to Disney World it would take to pay for a brand-new 30' slide-out?

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Old 01-13-2007, 09:20 AM   #9
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We have a 1963 Bambi. Counting the 7000 we spent on it in the beginning, We have about 15,000, in our final restoration. I did't keep detailed accounts. What I did was creat a separate checking account. It was like what some refer to in the restoration game as another hole in the ground. When it got low we porred more into it. I liked that method because I could spend you time working on the project and not the books. As someone mentioned below besides a way cool 63 Bambi we now have quite a few new tools we didn't have before. After all one can never have enough tools or Airstreams. This is a good thread for though newbees who are look at starting a new project.
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Old 01-13-2007, 11:16 AM   #10
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Is it worth it?

Of course it's worth it! We wouldn't be here otherwise .

Besides the personal labor time, which even I did not keep track of , there are financial considerations newbies need to realize.

When you buy a trailer for $1500, it going to need work. And the amount of work can be costly. It's funny how all those trips to Home Depot add up to thousands!

The nice thing about vintage trailers is that you can usually put the money into it over time as you can afford it. And it a lot of cases continue to use it as you do.
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I have a 73 Safari that will be around 16K when the restore process is finished in the next month. I utilized someone to do alot of the basic work and I am doing the finish work due to time restrictions. We have done a lot to it - all new cabinets, bunk beds, dinette, appliances, etc..., but it will be well worth it this spring. We almost bought a new non-AS trailer that would have been 21K and dropped about 5K the first year and a bit more every year after. So I figure I would skip the depreciation and go for appreciation or at least be able to get close to what I have in it - and that is if I ever get rid of it.
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Of course it's worth it! We wouldn't be here otherwise .

Besides the personal labor time, which even I did not keep track of , there are financial considerations newbies need to realize.

When you buy a trailer for $1500, it going to need work. And the amount of work can be costly. It's funny how all those trips to Home Depot add up to thousands!

The nice thing about vintage trailers is that you can usually put the money into it over time as you can afford it. And it a lot of cases continue to use it as you do.
Tim,
You are so right on. There is a componant that I don't think most folks figure in to the bottom line: The time and transportation costs associated with the many trips back and forth to the hardware store. After almost every project, regardless of how well I think I have planned, I am amazed (bummed) at how much time I wasted running around picking up supplies. To say nothing of fuel and maintenance on the vehicle.
Thanks for posting that, many folks have referred to these restoration costs, this is the first time I've seen a comprehensive list.

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Of course it's worth it! We wouldn't be here otherwise .
That is a question I have asked myself quite a few times in the last few months.

After many hours of reading these forums and honestly estimating the costs ( labor not included ) , I've figured it to be about $10,000 dollars .

When I feel a little bit of discouragement begin to set in , I go out and hang with the trailer and imagine the project completed and know that it will be VERY worth it.

Thanks Tim for your accounting skills.
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My tally for the 1963 Overlander is at $ 18500.00 so far, raw materials only, no labor, only some tools included.
This includes the purchase price of the trailer. It does not include delivery expenses, and it does not include minor hardware store trips for small items .
I have a rough .xls file where I keep track of the bigger items, from $ 50.00 up.
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