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Old 07-08-2010, 01:21 PM   #1
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Question NADA Values

Hi, newbie here beginning a search for an Airstream. Local, reputable dealer has in a 2003 22' International. We looked it over and it was pretty well worn with a bit of sag in the rear curbside floor. NADA average retail looks to be $12-$14k. The dealer is asking $30k. Is the NADA that far off? We probably wont go for this unit but I'm wondering how good a source the NADA is for getting an approximate value.

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Old 07-08-2010, 01:46 PM   #2
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It is my experience that NADA values for Airstreams umm, how shall we say, don't correspond as closely to actual market transactions as do NADA values for Ford Escorts.

On the other hand $30k seems steep for what you're getting. I would suggest to anyone looking at late model used trailers (post 2000 or so) to check and see what comparable new trailers actually sell for at retail before looking at used. It is not unusual for new trailers to be discounted 10-20% from list depending on the circumstances and time of year. I believe that trailer lists for around $55k new.

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Old 07-08-2010, 02:19 PM   #3
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Best time of year

Jammer, thank you for the prompt reply. I suspected the NADA was low and the dealer was high . I think your advice re comparing to actual new prices is good advice. I am familiar with buying boats and that winter brings the best value new or used. Is the same true for Airstreams?
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Price and selection are both lowest in fall and early winter but I suspect it varies from dealer to dealer. For me there are only two dealerships within 300 miles and they're owned by the same company so I had to conduct a nationwide search. I ended up buying from my local guy.

My advice would be to consider all options -- factory order, new unit on dealer lot, local dealer, nationwide dealer -- and compare that to what you can get on the used market.
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Old 07-08-2010, 05:10 PM   #5
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hi duck...

there are several threads on the limitations of 'book value' related to streams...

so few made and so few change hands that the standard deviation related to pricing...

and the REGIONAL differences in pricing mean the book info is essentially worthless

here's a few examples of these threads...

now with THAT clear as mud, lets move on to the MOST IMPORTANT MESSAGE...

Originally Posted by NautiDuck View Post has in a 2003 22' International. We looked it over and it was pretty well worn with a bit of sag in the rear curbside floor...
run, don't walk from that unit, unless you wanna be punished badly.

the 22s from that era are 1 of just 2 models with OSB subfloors.

this means once wet a time or 2 they become a huge problem.

that model also doesn't have a COMPLETE belly pan...

so the underside is OPEN to the elements (inspite of a thin black coating)

also the FRAME has a lotta issues (fatigue, cracks, bends, rust) ....

there are many threads on this unit/model and graphic pix and awful stories about issues with these.

those things ALONE mean this unit (22s from that era)...

is worth FAR LESS than other streams of approximately the same years/sizes and msrp.

really the 22 is a wounded hacking black sheep, covered with warts, infested with nasty issues and ultimately a HUGE risk.

find something ELSE.

should u doubt what's keyed above, here are just a few of the threads on this unit.

and most recently the "cost" of keeping 1 of these...

all of the true things that i am about to tell you are shameless lies. l.b.j.

we are here on earth to fart around. don't let anybody tell you any different. k.v.
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I tried to look up my MH's value with NADA. There were no provisions for2 A/C's, 2 furnaces, 2 Televisions, inverter, & exterior lights. I found pretty useless. Went with a local vehicle appraiser for insurance reasons.

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Old 07-08-2010, 11:18 PM   #7
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Thanks for the info

I appreciate the info we are getting here. I belong to a sailboat forum and have learned that these forums are a great source of information. Gotta love the Internet.

I had read about the potential problems with the 22' models and their frames and floors. I mentioned it to the dealer and he said they had never heard of it. Then we checked out this 22 and sure enough the back corner floor was soft and not level!

So far our favorite model is the 19' er so we'll likely be focusing more on that model now. I'm doing a lot of checking on the web to try to develop a sense of what is a fair price. We live in Oregon but bought our sailboat in Iowa. I'd like to buy from the local dealer but will travel if needed.
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For late model AS (2000 to 2010)..

You want to know what its worth call an AS dealer and tell them you would like to sell whatever model you are interested in on consignment. Or better yet, ask them if they want to buy it from you.

Now call a bank and ask them what they will give you a loan for a particular model. Again, another price point. Typically they will ask for money down to get them near the published NADA orange book values. Also note that most banks will not give a loan past 10 years of age and the APR may go up with age and the loan term definitely decreases with age. Banks don't do this because airstreams gain value as they age (typed with a lot of satire ).

Lastly call your insurer and ask them what is covered in a total loss without purchasing additional insurance.

How much you pay over the 3 or 4 price points above is basically determined by how bad you want to buy a particular AS and how much you are willing to lose over your term of ownership.

Statistically the late model depreciation follows the standard economic rules for recreational vehicles. No exceptions until you get into older AS then there is no logic in pricing only emotions. Older models break all of the rules, it is basically whatever you can get someone to pay for it. The older model pricing only applies to airstream. All other manufactures in a quick sale scenario the older models still follow the rules of scrap value plus cost adders if everything works. IE any old recreational vehicle (non AS) that everything works on becomes worth around a $3500 to $6000.

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