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Old 10-24-2005, 07:42 AM   #15
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That's reason enough! Congrats Mark!

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Old 12-25-2005, 08:13 PM   #16
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.................Would a 90-94 Limited come standard with the Auto electric leveling system as part of the limited package ?? thanks , r66
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Old 12-25-2005, 08:45 PM   #17
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My '94 came with electric jacks, although they're not auto-leveling in the same sense as an HWH motorhome auto leveling system.

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Old 12-25-2005, 10:55 PM   #18
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Also, though Roger and I both have 94's, there are some differences in the jacks - while I believe Roger has one at the tongue for lifting, and one at each corner for stabilizing, the two jacks on the front of mine serve both as tongue lift and stabilizing, while the rear are only for stabilizing. I believe Limiteds back to 1990 were like mine, where newer ones are like his. All have the electric jacks.

and yeah - there's no "auto-leveling" as such. Still need the ol' Lynx Levelers from time to time!
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Old 12-26-2005, 12:12 AM   #19
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Tongue Jack - or not?!

Dave -

Gotta ask a question - you are saying that you DO NOT have a tongue jack at all?? No place for mounting??

I ask since mine is a '92 Classic Limited and it does have a TJ. Believe you said that earlier 34's used the front stabilizing jacks for that function. Not SilverToy.

Although, that might be an interesting item. Are you saying/ implying that the 2 front stabilizing jacks are robust enough to use in place of the TJ? Regularly?? Where might I find out if that is indeed the case?

Might open up and clean up the Tongue area a bit if I were to remove the manual jack that is there now. Ironically, I am considering an electric jack to replace the manual TJ that is there now. Don't really mind the manual one ( haven't done it in the pouring rain yet!) but then can any of us really ever stop fiddling with our Aluminum Pride and Joy?

To me, having a "3 point" stance of stability at the front, along with the rear staibilizers really makes for a terrifically stable and solid feel when parked and all are deployed.

Cheers to you all, and Happy Holidays!

Ciao

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PS - going to Carlsbad Caverns for New Years! Are you far from there?? Am going to stop at Area 51 too! Hope the relatives (aliens! from ?, or Gov't spooks) let me leave again!? ;>)

PPS - Love "The Black" Dave!!! Really sharp rig! Oh, the AS too!
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While I don't have a Limited. I have seen more than one Limited (but not all of them) without any tongue jack, just the the front "stabilizers". Not sure which years were which way. I have watched a Limited Owner lift the tongue off the ball of his tow vehicle using just the front power "stabilizers".

On those limiteds that had no tongue jack, the mounting holes were still present, but unused. One could therefore easily add a tongue jack if desired. I wonder if your manual tongue jack was added by a previous owner. I can't imagine that a top of the line Limited came from Airstream with a manual tongue jack.
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Old 12-26-2005, 11:49 AM   #21
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The earlier Limiteds without the tongue jack use a very different style of front jacks than what mine has. Mine are JUST stabilizers, not weight-raising jacks. Mine has the super-duper power tongue jack. The ones without the tongue jack have a vertical lift style of jack under the corners.

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Old 12-26-2005, 07:22 PM   #22
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Vertical Lift Style...

Rog -

SilverToy does have 2 different styles of stabilizers. The rear are a 'scissor style' jack that is power down and power up. The front are what I can only presume to be the 'Vertical Lift Style'. They are a straight vertical type 'pipe' with a foot at the bottom. Wouldn't know that they are capable of lifting the trailer at the front as I have never tried.

Now that I think about it, they do seem capable of lifting as I can recall a bit of frame flex, not allowing the door to close and lock, when I didn't do things in proper order on a VERY HOT unhitching afternoon, after driving 400 odd miles. Sigh.

So, if the trailer has the 'Vertical Lift Style' front stabilizers from the factory, would I still have the hole for mounting the TJ? I ask since the manual TJ also seemed out of place in a trailer that has power everything else - as someone else mentioned. Am considering adding my own power TJ - which brand and capacity is on your 34' Rog???

Is there somewhere I can find out if I DO have the VLS front jacks? Manual from JC is no help. Is there a place to look on the jacks themselves? Would be an interesting tidbit to go with the front and rear Wraparounds/ Panoramic windows. These are, from all I have gathered and seen so far, a pretty rare commodity on any trailer, much less a Big Rig! Unique is Good.

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Old 12-26-2005, 07:50 PM   #23
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Here's the jack that's on mine:

http://www.jcwhitney.com/autoparts/I...D:100000194337

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Axel,
There is a 92 Limited listed in the Classifieds here on the board and it looks to me like it does not have the tounge jack. And I looked at another one awhile back and it did not have one either. So I would assume that the power down front jacks are used in lieu of the single tongue jack. However being the belt and suspenders type I would definitely have a power tongue jack in addition to the power stabilizers. IMHO it would suck to have the power stabilizers go out...unless there is a way of using them manually....

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Axel,

My two front jacks are essentially the same type of jacks as are most commonly found on the tongue, only they're inboard, and turned 90 degrees. There is a space in the A frame for a tongue jack, but mine had a cap there instead.

The rear stabilizer jacks are an A&E Power Twin unit, design now owned by Ultra-Fab.
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IMHO it would suck to have the power stabilizers go out...unless there is a way of using them manually....

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Indeed it would.
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Old 12-26-2005, 10:56 PM   #27
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One more thing, Axel.... Always remember to have the coach leveled the way you want it before lowering the rear jacks, and have them up before raising the front to hitch up - otherwise you might have a 34' aluminum banana.
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Old 12-27-2005, 01:59 AM   #28
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Aluminum banana....

More about the stabilizers -

Dave - On the occation of the door not closing/locking properly I had in fact lowered the rear jacks, front too - then noticed that it was off a bit (down at the nose) so I cranked up the Fronts. Tried to lock SilverToy to get to the pool and NO dice. Fumbled and fiddled in the 105 degree (PLUS humidity) while the kids patiently waited ( OK, not really!) for dad to get his a** in gear.

You know that scene in "A Christmas Story" - the "you'll shoot your eye out kids" movie - where the dad is downstairs cursing a blue streak at the furnace? Well that was me with the door.

Finally stopped after about 5 minutes and took a drink of water (lost 1 quart of sweat just from the swearing!) and while replenishing the system I thought about it. Ah ha! Released the rears, leveled, reset all stabilizers again. Bingo! Pool here I come....!

Rog - Your TJ looks like a nice unit but rather pricy? Or? Seems I had a mind that they were more in the $200 range. Is the 3K capacity really needed or is that just a "I sleep better" variable? Is there a difference in the voltage between the 3K and say, a 2K? What other things do I need to consider as I look at possible replacement units for the manual crank that is there now.

Was just thinking that it is really nice to be talking with other 34' owners. I check the trailer listing and there has been no new activity there since forever ago - I was even the poster there.

Might there be a way within the Forums parameters to get a bi-monthly chat going or something? Would that interest anyone? Photo posting with comparisons or look, design, equipment, etc... Could even be useful to a newbie that is considering a big AS - We might even be able to go year by year if we have representational units of the major change model years. Just a thought. Feedback?

Anyway, to all a good night - and a VERY Happy New Year!

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