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Old 03-25-2010, 01:07 PM   #29
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Hmmm....

1. Customization costs more than mass production. Buying "one" of something is more expensive than buying 1,000.

2. All restoration projects have hidden costs. This is one of those immutable laws of the universe like bread falling buttered side down.

3. "Real" time includes thinking about the work, prep and clean up... not just "turning wrenches" or bucking rivets.

4. People who care enough to renovate often want to put in the best possible components. Suburban furnace, Dometic fridge, Fantastic fans, the "best" costs more.

5. Estimating any project is an inexact science. In some cases, you don't know what you'll find until you open things up... and it's officially "too late."

6. Curved interiors take more time than square.

7. Finding parts can be time consuming.

8. There is no perfect plan. Plans change. Change costs money.

9. RV stuff is often more expensive than home stuff... though I can't tell you why.

10. Emotional decisions are more expensive than financials, e.g., marriage, divorce and love affairs with vintage aluminum.
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Old 03-25-2010, 02:22 PM   #30
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Good Thought! LOL

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They made Airstreams after 1962?
Yes they made them after 1962 and they are not all silver! LOL
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Old 03-25-2010, 04:53 PM   #31
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Thanks all for the input. I wait until I know that I know that the AS I am in is the one for me, restoration project or not. Yes, I do hear what you all have said.

I look mainly on Craig's list around the west and on the classified listings. Also thanks for the complements on my work. I am comfortable with that sort of thing. The mechanical etc. well that is something else.

I really want to say the efforts you folks put into responding to all of us is a real righteous thing. Tony Rogue River OR
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Old 03-25-2010, 05:43 PM   #32
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If you haven't already found this site, you will probably like this! It's a craigslist shopping tool I look at often.
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Thanks all for the input. I wait until I know that I know that the AS I am in is the one for me, restoration project or not. Yes, I do hear what you all have said.

I look mainly on Craig's list around the west and on the classified listings. Also thanks for the complements on my work. I am comfortable with that sort of thing. The mechanical etc. well that is something else.

I really want to say the efforts you folks put into responding to all of us is a real righteous thing. Tony Rogue River OR
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Old 03-25-2010, 06:48 PM   #33
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Thanks Rich the Viking I didn't know about that search method it will save me loads of time and give me better coverage. Tony
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Old 03-26-2010, 08:13 AM   #34
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Tony, here's my take on your most recent questions.

If you buy a 1990s-2000s trailer, you will likely get an inherently solid trailer. There is still the chance that a leak can cause floor rot (they all leak), particularly in the years with OSB flooring. But the chances of major frame rot are slim. There is still stuff to fix, and the likelihood of finding peeling clearcoat. But these are modern trailers with modern electrical systems, most appliances should work (although RV frigs are fussy things), etc.

The same holds true for an 1980s trailer, but the chances of finding some floor rot and frame rot are increasing.

There are loose (and not really official in any way) guidelines to value (see vintageairstream.com) for year and condition for vintage trailers up to 1979. But an insurance company will want either a recent bill of sale from a dealer or an appraisal in order to get an agreed value policy. Of course, if you go the bill of sale route, that doesn't take into account renovations, unless the dealer does the work (which is pricey and might not be the best resource.)

Personally, I also think that there are inherent limits to what the market will bear when it comes time to resell, if you'd want to move on. For example, as much as I (or anyone else) invests in restoring an Argosy, finding someone to pay much over $10k for one will take a while - if it's even possible. A lot of restored trailers, particularly ones restored by their owners, seem to sell for the cost of the initial trailer and materials invested - nevermind the value of your time.

But we're talking a lot about money. Do you WANT to restore a trailer? Would you find it to be a satisfying hobby? It can certainly be a source of great pride and enjoyment.

You should also look at as many trailers, in all conditions and sizes, as possible before deciding on one. Your wants change as you look at more trailers.

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I recently inquired with my insurance carrier for our '73 31' er nad was told that in a total loss situation it was covered for 18K. I wanted to know what my premium was covering $$$ wise. I think thats fair / we keep receipts and take ocass pics / video as we progress in the restoration. Seems fair to me at this point. However if needed I BELIEVE ONE CAN GET A DECLARED AND AGREED VALUE POLICY if appropriate.........JC
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Any time you go to rebuild an old house, boat, car, or Airstream it is going to cost a lot more money, and take a lot more time, than you expect. You will run into unexpected problems and things that looked easy will turn out to be far from easy.

If you have ever engaged in such a project you know what I am talking about.

You are far better off, time and money wise, to buy a really good trailer to start with. Buy the best you can find even if it costs a few thousand $$$$ more.

On the other hand if you like a challenge and like to work with your hands there are a lot worse things you could be working on than an Airstream. For one thing you don't have to live in the mess like you do when renovating your house. You can shut the door and go relax in the house when you want to. In addition, when you get done, a good Airstream is always saleable and always has a certain value no matter how old. In other words depreciation is not going to eat up your money.

The only way you can lose a lot of money is to buy a trailer, tear it all apart, and try to sell it half finished or gutted.
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