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Old 03-24-2010, 05:58 PM   #15
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Things always add up fast when your having fun.

You know, just like a bar tab.

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Old 03-24-2010, 06:12 PM   #16
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Like Restoring an Old House

Think of it this way.....it is like restoring an old house.....there are always things that you can't see until you get into it and it costs more and takes longer than you would have thought......and this old house just happens to have an earthquake everytime it goes down the road......so if you want everything up to date and in good working order, it is costly.......but then, there are no free lunches.....this is not to discourage you.....we are thrilled with our Vintage rebuild....it is what it is. pj
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Old 03-24-2010, 06:29 PM   #17
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Tom, do I want to restore an AS? Of course, that is a keen question. I know what that type of pride is all about. I am a tool user by trade. Building furniture you trade the big bucks for less but a good dose of pride. I have built a shop, additions, restored a 1899 house that was Condemned Victorian house in SE Portland, I built a canoe etc. and do enjoy receiving praise. So do I want to restore an Airstream? The quick answer is at this stage I want what I can accomplish, the finish product. I am still contemplating if I should take on another big project. The money does enter the decision as part of the bigger cost benefit analysis.

I am getting into as many trailers as I can. When I bought my tent trailer what I did was go in a lot of new so I would get accustom to that level of quality. It worked out well. What part of the plan is to buy the trailer and sell the tent trailer after to pay for some of the need repairs or issues that will come up.

I donít own an Airstream yet, but have attached some pictures of my Airstream once removed. A set of draws, on the finishing rack, for a bedroom suite soon on the way to a gallery in the bay area. Which is much like the picture of the proto type dresser. I also posted two other pieces for giggles. One, the entertainment cabinet I posted before showing the unintentional subconscious influence (the arch) of too much viewing of AS. As these product sell the money goes into the AS account. Thanks for your input your advice and experience is well taken. Tony
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Old 03-24-2010, 06:48 PM   #18
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restoring an as found AS (not a field model) can add up to nearly the price of a new coach. Many Thank Tony S Rogue River Oregon
I would not agree with this part of your statement. I would say restoration costs add up quicker than most people expect and you are not likely to get out the money you put in. You will still be waay ahead of the price of a new Airstream.
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Old 03-24-2010, 06:52 PM   #19
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End of decussion. With that talent get an OLD A.S. asap. You may even be one of the few that breaks even! Do'nt waste that ability on anything newer than 1964. I'm starting my interior woodwork now, if only I had you're lack of ability!!!Beautifull arch...
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Old 03-24-2010, 07:04 PM   #20
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They made Airstreams after 1962?
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Old 03-24-2010, 07:08 PM   #21
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Things always add up fast when your having fun.

You know, just like a bar tab.

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Too true . . perfect!

I may not be an Airstream Guy (and try not to be the Vintage Kin Guy from Hell), yet the way I look at any trailer is much the same: it's gonna be $10,000 for starters (past purchase price).

Sway-eliminating hitch $3k
Disc brake conversion $3k
Tires, shocks, led lamp conversions, door, window, gaskets, seals, etc, $1k
Air conditioner, roof vents, etc $1-2k

(with an A/S add in axle replacement costs)

I'm always going to be replacing flooring, window treatment, cushions, mattresses, etc. All that is much in excess of another several thousand.

As a rule of thumb, it's $10k on most anything.

And it looks like yours is another thread I'll need to follow 'cause these Airstream restorers sure seem to have it all together. No lack of learning around here . . finally got to attend a Vintage Rally, and it's the greatest seeing the ingenuity!
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Old 03-24-2010, 07:24 PM   #22
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..two years ago I bought an Ugly Duckling '69 Safari in poor cosmetic but not-so-bad structural/systems shape...

.actually I could say I was GIVEN a Safari for purchasing the 2001 V8 Tundra with Reese hitch & bars that had towed it...total purchase price for truck, trailer, hitch, was $10K...I've since put about $3-4K into the trailer (new axle, etc) and a GAZILLION hours of sweat equity and gone camping a bunch of times with my wife and kid...

...Airstreaming doesn't have to be a budget breaker if you were raised to be..."frugal"... (you say "tight"....I say "frugal"..

...oh, and you will need tools...lots and lots of tools....
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Old 03-24-2010, 07:54 PM   #23
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honestly I feel guilty for the return on dollar invested. My Airstream is the single best purchase I have ever made. The very first camping trip you will realize that as true, especially if you have kids.
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Old 03-24-2010, 08:19 PM   #24
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Why? Why? Why? Add it all up? Think about it? Go. Do. Have fun. Enjoy.

Let's see, house per day cost? water, heat, electric? Worry about this, or don't.

Don't get involved with a restore and worry. If you want to do that, quit your regular job and become a professional restorer.

If you are a home brewer of beer, then you will recognize this. In most of the instructions of home brewing are the instrustions "don't worry, have a homebrew".

Don't worry, restore, camp, travel, put your worries on the shelf.
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Old 03-24-2010, 08:29 PM   #25
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Tony,
It's a function of Murphy's Law.
I've done quite a few house and comm. building remodels and have learned to "double the time and double the money" and that will be close to the budget.
It's the unknown problems, details and lack of experience that runs up the cost from original guestimate.
This is our first Airstream project. In it's previous life, ours was a corp. promo trailer, so structure is like new.
The ref., water heater, range, furnace, LP system had been removed to free up floor space. To date we have all mechanical systems installed and operating. I found a mobile RV mechanic that installed all of the above at my shop and billed me for 18 hours.
We wanted to modify the floor plan, so relocated water heater and furnace which added a couple hours time.
All mechanical components are new and upgrades from original equipment.
We are doing the interior design and construction ourselves. That is part of the fun!
One thing I learned is that the interior is very diff to work with due to the curved shape. It's hard to fix a reference point as there few right angles and a level is useless in a trailer. To date, I have made 2 templates so I can replicate partitions. If one had to pay for a shop to do this, I expect it would run into a lot of money real fast!
Our goal, which now seems realistic, is to end up with a near new coach with a custom interior for a few grand less than a comparable stock coach. Plus, we have the fun of working on it!
I wouldn't recommend anyone take on a job such as this as a money maker!
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Tom, do I want to restore an AS? Of course, that is a keen question. I know what that type of pride is all about. I am a tool user by trade. Building furniture you trade the big bucks for less but a good dose of pride. I have built a shop, additions, restored a 1899 house that was Condemned Victorian house in SE Portland, I built a canoe etc. and do enjoy receiving praise. So do I want to restore an Airstream? The quick answer is at this stage I want what I can accomplish, the finish product. I am still contemplating if I should take on another big project. The money does enter the decision as part of the bigger cost benefit analysis.

I am getting into as many trailers as I can. When I bought my tent trailer what I did was go in a lot of new so I would get accustom to that level of quality. It worked out well. What part of the plan is to buy the trailer and sell the tent trailer after to pay for some of the need repairs or issues that will come up.

I donít own an Airstream yet, but have attached some pictures of my Airstream once removed. A set of draws, on the finishing rack, for a bedroom suite soon on the way to a gallery in the bay area. Which is much like the picture of the proto type dresser. I also posted two other pieces for giggles. One, the entertainment cabinet I posted before showing the unintentional subconscious influence (the arch) of too much viewing of AS. As these product sell the money goes into the AS account. Thanks for your input your advice and experience is well taken. Tony
Tony, with your talent it would be a crime if you didn't restore an old bird. I can't wait to see you create!
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Tom, do I want to restore an AS? Of course, that is a keen question. I know what that type of pride is all about. I am a tool user by trade. Building furniture you trade the big bucks for less but a good dose of pride.
I'm really glad I asked that - just so that I could see the photos of your work. It's lovely. I'm envious of the many folks who post here with so much talent - and much more patience than I have. I'd almost feel bad if you bought a newer trailer and didn't get to use your skill.

Like you said, it's mostly a matter of if you want another project...especially since there is a lot more work (as you know) beyond cabinetry...

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Based on what I've read here, and what I've experienced with similar projects (cars, houses, etc.) the cost overruns vis a vis the original plan usually have to do with repairs that were not originally believed to be necessary.

The list of "the usual" mechanical repairs that most older 'streams are going to need is fairly obvious and easy to price -- axles, tires, wheels, batteries, converter, lights. Floor and frame condition is difficult to ascertain without disassembly and there's many an Airstream story that starts off with floor patching and ends with frame-off restoration with the attendant welding, POR15, insulation, plywood, and replacement tanks and plumbing that end up being a part of that.
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