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Old 06-04-2013, 08:23 AM   #15
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I had a 2011 F-350 4x4 King Ranch (registered as a 10,000 pounder for state tags and inspection purposes) - so basically a F-250 since I never used the helper springs in the back and other than that the two trucks pretty much the same.

When placed myself into my "Truck Fiasco" where I went to downsize and realized I required a 3/4 ton truck to tow my 27FB - I looked hard at the 2013 F-250 (nice upgraded Sony stereo & nav but pretty much same truck as my 2011 model) and the recently completely overhauled Ram 2500 Cummins 4x4 in Laramie décor.

Comparing apples to apples (interior trim levels, engines, models, yes - stereos, nav and other creature comforts) and of course looks, engine, tranny, comfort handling (did I mention Cummins engine), tranny, comfort, handling.... yadda, yadda, yadda...

Any Hootz - in 2011 I purchased a Ford as I thought that was the best 'bang for the buck" and gambled on the new Scorpion diesel engine.

This time around it was a no brainer for me - jumped the Ford ship and am over at Ram with a 2500 Laramie 4x4 with Cummins Diesel. The ride is smoother, handles better, the engine is more responsive and is already getting better mileage than my Ford and it still isn't broken in yet. Even compared to the King Ranch package I had in my Ford - the Laramie trim is nicer (what a difference in the seats).

My only complaint in the Ram truck is the cap-less fuel filler - but that is nitpicking...

Now - since this truck is "long term" as in decades (hopefully) - I am a bit nervous about how the Ram will stay put together as compared to the Ford product (interior trim pieces, rattles, squeaks, etc.) but only time will tell if the quality of the Ram is equal to or better than the Ford (visions of K cars dancing in my head right about now) vehicles.

But for this moment in time - between 2013 models, the Ram 2500 is the truck for me.
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Old 06-04-2013, 08:53 AM   #16
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If you go gas, I'd say HEMI!
If you go diesel, I'd say CUMMINS!
MOPAR!
I have to admit - Cummins oil burner in my Ram 2500 4x4 and Hemi 6.4 in my SRT Grand Cherokee - I've "guzzled" the Mopar Kool-Aid, and I like it...
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Old 06-04-2013, 08:57 AM   #17
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I tow a 27FB with a Ford Expedition, the 5.4 gas engine. While it works I'd say it belongs to the marginal category. This is mainly due to payload and rear axle weight capacity limits. Basically nothing cans be carried in the rear of the tow vehicle.

I'm heading to Lake Tahoe in a few weeks. Its a big climb over the Sierras. I expect to the slowest one on the road, especially above 6000 feet. At least there's plenty of passing lanes along the way. I'm looking at a F-150 ecoboost with the heavy duty payload package in a year or two.
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Old 06-04-2013, 09:13 AM   #18
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Either one is a fine truck. Our 2007 2500 Ram rides very rough on rough roads. I bought and still would prefer the diesel over the gas for several reasons.
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:10 AM   #19
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My '70 Charger has a 7.2L gasser....that's a 440 Magnum in English
Not quite a Hemi, but it's not bad.

(It's actually a 7.3 now since I rebuilt the engine and bored it .030 over...)
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:48 AM   #20
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I prefer the Ford but may I suggest that seat comfort should also be a factor.

My Ford was great in every way but after six hours that seat was a torture device. So now I have a Chevy.
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Old 06-04-2013, 10:56 AM   #21
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Yea, really, you could just do like they do in Canada, and pull your trailer with a minivan.

Oh, I'm sorry, you said you were interested in "safety, reliability and longevity", so then you do need a truck.
Any of today's minivans is superior in any imaginable way (engines, brakes, body) to any car or truck sold 30 years ago, when people still somehow managed to tow trailers safely and reliably.

I've towed horse trailers across mountain ranges with a 40 year old Land Rover. Drum brakes all round and 78hp. Problems? Zero.

The obsession with trucks as TVs borders on the irrational. Trucks make terrible daily drivers, or drivers in general. My next TV will either be a Mercedes M-Class BlueTec or a Jeep Grand Cherokee Diesel. Both are capable of towing anything I could ever hope to tow.
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Kristine,

My advise....drive as many as you can, for as long as you can.
Look for a dealer that has a good stock of "white" on the lot.

That usually indicates a robust commercial business which tends to enhance their knowledge of towing requirements and options.

BTW...nice teeth is as good an indicator as any of good health, but not necessarily applicable when choosing a tow vehicle.

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Kristine, I have pulled trailers both commercially and recreationally for more years than I care to remember. The best advice I could give you is know what your trailer weighs, tanks full ready to go, know what your truck weighs full of gas and gear. This is scale weight...weigh them yourself.....Know the Gross Combined Vehicle Weight ( GCVW ) of the tow vehicle this is maximum weight of everything going down the road hooked up. Stay out of the conditions that are marginal. I went with a 2500 /250 series just for the extra capacity
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As always, I appreciate everyone's comments, observations and opinions. Saturday I will be up bright and early to have more driving experiences in both the Ford 250 and the Dodge 2500. Either due to a lack of experience....or my conservative nature, I am leaning towards an avoidance of the marginal zone --- hence the 3/4 ton test drives.

Last winter while photographing in Yellowstone, I rented a Ford Expedition out of Bozeman, MT -- what a gorgeous vehicle. I was three days into driving it until I realized that it had heated seats! Anyway...here's my point: One of my Facebook friends owns a 27ft International and tows with a Ford Expedition. Given all that I've read on the AS Forum, etc., I don't get how some people are OK with TVs that (I think) fall into the marginal zone. Please understand that I am not being critical. As much as I like the Ford Expedition, I would be fearful of using it as my TV. BTW, my focus is on owning either a 25 or 27 foot Airstream.

One more thought...while I have never purchased a used vehicle, I've started to wonder about the Certified Pre-owned avenue.

All good wishes for a great day.

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I think that CPO is a pretty good route for people who aren't comfortable with a regular "pig in a poke" used vehicle but want to avoid some of the depreciation hit of a new vehicle. Most of the manufacturer-sponsored CPO programs include long extended warranties, just be sure those cover the systems that are important to you. I've no idea how easy or hard it is to find a CPO vehicle set up just like you want it, but I guess if you're looking in the 3/4 ton range more of them will be set up like actual trucks than the glut of half-tons with low-numeric differentials and low-profile low-load tires that people buy to drive to their desk jobs.

Oh, and re: the Expedition vs. F250/RAM 2500: I'm guessing the only features of the Expedition that's not available on some trim level of those 2 trucks are the independent rear axle and maybe air-conditioned seats.
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Thank you! When you mention "systems" what do you mean? It will help me ask questions. I know about extended side mirrors and a rear view camera (for example) Also what kind of a tire isn't a.... "low-profile low-load tire"?

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Thank you! When you mention "systems" what do you mean? It will help me ask questions. I know about extended side mirrors and a rear view camera (for example) Also what kind of a tire isn't a.... "low-profile low-load tire"?

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The low profile-low load thing is more an issue on the half-ton luxury cars masquerading as trucks, with 20" rims and low-profile tires that limit cargo and tongue weight. Ford does this to their King Ranch and Platinum F150s, for example.

For me, important systems for the long warranties are transmission, differential, engine, emissions and AC at the very least. With the heavily-integrated, complex "entertainment systems" replacing interchangeable radios, coverage for that might be important to you in newer vehicles too.

All of the CPO extended warranties will cover "powertrain" but what is and it not included in that will be in the fine print. ESPECIALLY if you go for a diesel, make sure the CPO coverage at least includes the same systems as the new-vehicle warranty, or negotiate other coverage that does... never EVER take their first offer of price for a service plan if you do buy one, by the way, that's a big money-maker for them and they can still make a profit at way less than the list price for it.

I don't mean to suggest that a diesel is more likely to have problems, but if it does, they can be more expensive to fix. Look for tricky exceptions like fuel injectors or high-pressure pumps, those are expensive items that have the most problems, so I'm sure warranty providers like to exclude them where they can get away with it.
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Priceless information....Thank you! Especially regarding what extended warranties really cover and the tricky exceptions. I have a great list of questions going. BTW, I see that your TV is a 2007 Ford F150 Lariat SuperCrew 5.4l 2WD. Why not a bigger engine and 4WD? Your Airstreams are longer models? Kristine
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