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Old 07-30-2015, 04:49 PM   #15
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Again, don't take my word for it. Here is what the IRS their own selves have to say on the matter:
Report of Cash Payments Over $10,000 Received in a Trade or Business - Motor Vehicle Dealership Q&As
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Old 07-30-2015, 05:46 PM   #16
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Wow, this forum is amazing. You all are great. I will post back to let you know how it went and so others in the future can find this thread in hopes it helps them. Stay tuned...
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Old 07-30-2015, 06:21 PM   #17
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Once you take possession of the AS you will want to re-shop your insurance to get a policy that has an AGREED VALUE stipulation. Not cash value, not Kelly BB value, but AGREED VALUE. Good Sam folks have some insurance companies that will write the policy thus if you insist. Progressive is one, Nationwide is another. It needs to say so in the policy, otherwise the insurance company after a total collision or tree fall will try and write you a check for two or three thousand and call it a day.
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Old 07-30-2015, 07:21 PM   #18
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When we purchased a car in Texas, the dealer would only accept payment by wire. This caused a lot of issues as we arrived with a bank draft from a Canadian bank at 5:00pm on a Friday. This was their policy as a buyer from Al. had stopped payment on a cashiers cheque, thus the car was tied up until cleared by the courts.

With a wire transfer, no money changes hands until you give the bank the go ahead and the dealer is guaranteed to have the funds.

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Old 07-30-2015, 10:16 PM   #19
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Protaganist it's a good link but is all about CASH sales. The OP doesn't say how he did his deposit. If you use a check and a dealer thinks he needs to fill in an 8300 he should reread the guidance document. The title says it all "Report of Cash Payments Over $10,000 Received in a Trade or Business"

And it discusses Cashier Checks:

If a customer purchased a cashier's check at the bank for over $10,000, would the bank report the transaction? Does the seller of a vehicle need to report the transaction if the same cashier's check is subsequently used to purchase a vehicle?

If the cashier's check was purchased with cash exceeding $10,000, the bank would file a Currency Transaction Report (not a Form 8300).

The purchase of a vehicle with a cashier's check, bank draft, traveler's check or money order with a face amount of more than $10,000 is not treated as cash and a business does not have to file Form 8300 when it receives them.

I kind of understand the DL request but like others there shouldn't be a need for an SSN since there is no financing involved by the dealer. But state laws may require it. And every state seems to have their own set of rules. So simply ask why they need an SSN if the have the DL and deposit in hand.
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Old 07-31-2015, 05:42 AM   #20
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Protagonist is correct. I think this law came as part of the patriot act.
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Old 07-31-2015, 06:18 AM   #21
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It's not so much an IRS deal as it is a Homeland Security deal. They want to make sure you're $10000+ outlay isn't for the benefit of potential terrorists. .
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Old 07-31-2015, 07:24 AM   #22
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Then cleanest way to pay may be to wire the money. If not done late in the day the dealers account will have the money in it the same day. You can wait, inspect trailer and THEN wire the money m
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Old 07-31-2015, 08:26 AM   #23
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I'm not doubting that the SSN provision is true - just wondering where in the process it is supposed to enter, and for which kinds of dealers, because I haven't seen it with either in-state or out-of-state sales. We bought our Airstream out of state less than a year ago, paid by cashier's check, and SSNs were not part of the transaction. It was the same as buying any other used vehicle - private bill of sale, out-of-state title in the sellers name signed over to our names, out-of-state title supplied in application for new Texas title, paid Texas sales tax, received Texas title. Seller is an Airstream flipper known to us and continued to have our contact info should any bureaucratic ramification have befallen him, but none ever did to our knowledge.

Similarly, I did not provide SSN when I recently bought a new daily driver from a car dealership half a mile from me. Drove my previous econobox for 12 years, saved up during that interval (I'm an old-school non-believer in debt), walked into dealer, selected a new econobox off the lot, signed papers for the title and plates, cut a personal check for the full amount, drove home in the new wheels, end of transaction. The only ID I provided was Texas driver's license.

Of course in the vast machinery of DMVs, SSNs are already functionally associated with DL's. Maybe that explains it? I know this because I have to log into certain state computer systems for my work, and when I do that, some systems demand "last four digits" to authenticate the supplied DL.

Issue of counterfeit cashier's check never occurred to me as a possibility. We had become acquainted with our seller so there was a level of mutual trust.
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Old 07-31-2015, 10:19 AM   #24
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Update: they requested my SSN just to get the paper work started for my benefit. I told them I didn't feel comfortable giving it to them until I arrived and they said that was 100% ok.
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if somebody asked me for my ss ...I politely ask them if they want to contribute ...as that is the only way they get it.
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In NJ, your SS number is required for license, registration and/or title. I'm sure other states have the same deal with SS.
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Old 10-31-2015, 08:23 PM   #27
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No, not in Georgia.
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Years ago in Indiana your DL number was the SS number.

They changed to a random number but in the same format so they did not have to change their data base.

The SS number is still on file.

This allows them to easily check your standard of living (number and vintage of boats, cars, motorcycles and trucks) against reported income with both state tax revenue folks and the IRS.

It is no longer paranoia, they are watching......
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