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Old 09-20-2017, 05:17 PM   #1
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I looked at an old invoice for a 2004 25' Safari LS. The list price was 40,299. Rear Queen, single awning, etc. Using an inflation calculator I see where that unit would now cost $53,500 (only calculates thru 2016). A 2018 Flying Cloud similarly equipped (rear queen, single awning, 15 inch wheels) lists for $88,500 at one of the more popular dealers. I know they have more/bigger windows and ducted 15K AC, but how much can those things cost? Just an observation, wonder why the big jump in pricing......
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Old 09-20-2017, 05:22 PM   #2
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Interesting exercise but pointless. What does it accomplish, the math won't give you any leverage with a dealer.

I am in the real estate business. Apply an inflation calculator to most any property on the market today starting out in 2004, and the results will be stunning, probably a greater percentage increase than your Airstream calculation showed.

In any case, to answer your question: supply and demand. AS can't get them out the door fast enough.
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Old 09-20-2017, 05:27 PM   #3
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I think this adds a bit to the thought of some to purchase a slightly used AS. It takes patience and planning but you can save some of the initial depreciation as well as having some of the "bugs" common in new units resolved.
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Old 09-20-2017, 05:33 PM   #4
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I think this adds a bit to the thought of some to purchase a slightly used AS. It takes patience and planning but you can save some of the initial depreciation as well as having some of the "bugs" common in new units resolved.
You don't save much unless the unit is pretty old. I'd rather have new. Can't confuse "depreciation" with the difference between retail (what you pay) and what you would get in trade the next day.

Toured the factory today, saw some new Globetrotters (replaces the International) going down the line. They said they were 2500 units backlogged.
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It’s called Supply and Demand.
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Old 09-20-2017, 05:39 PM   #6
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They cost what people are willing to pay. Production etc have nothing todo with asking prices of AIRSTREAM’s. If people stopped buying the prices would come down. Simple economics. But this is the real world and that is never going to happen. Fine with me, that keeps the value of my 2006 from sinking. In fact with the asking prices I have been seeing the cash value of mine has actuall gone up in the 3 years I have owned it if they are selling close to asking price.
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You don't save much unless the unit is pretty old. I'd rather have new. Can't confuse "depreciation" with the difference between retail (what you pay) and what you would get in trade the next day.

Toured the factory today, saw some new Globetrotters (replaces the International) going down the line. They said they were 2500 units backlogged.
Couldn't disagree more, having bought two very lightly-used Airstreams in the past two years--a 2013 purchased in 2015, and a 2014 purchased in 2016. Both were showroom condition, barely used, and stored indoors. Assuming one can get a 20% discount on a new one (less likely on a 23' or below, which sell like hotcakes), I still paid 75% of what the cost of a new one would have been (2 years newer), and I had basically the same trailer, except for ducted AC and 15 in wheels. The one I bought last year I can use for three years and still get what I paid for it (yes, I was patient and waited for a really good deal).

I guess what 'much' means in terms of savings can mean different things to different people of course! And I understand that many people like the security of the warranty for the first two years.
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I looked at an old invoice for a 2004 25' Safari LS. The list price was 40,299. Rear Queen, single awning, etc. Using an inflation calculator I see where that unit would now cost $53,500 (only calculates thru 2016). A 2018 Flying Cloud similarly equipped (rear queen, single awning, 15 inch wheels) lists for $88,500 at one of the more popular dealers. I know they have more/bigger windows and ducted 15K AC, but how much can those things cost? Just an observation, wonder why the big jump in pricing......
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So what are you planning to do based on your analysis?

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Old 09-20-2017, 06:58 PM   #9
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Safari and flying clouds are different trim levels. The FC's cost more than Safaris.
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It seems to me that high end RVs, AS included, follow the housing market. Just my humble observation. Around 2008-2009 I saw 25' Airstreams in the 2000-2005 model year range selling for around 20K. Now I see the same ones offered at 30-40K.
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Old 09-21-2017, 09:51 AM   #11
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One gotcha is that "inflation" is a very elastic term. It may measure something. It certainly does not measure my cost of living. It also is very unlikely to measure Airstream's costs for materials or labor.

Punch stock prices since 2007 into your "inflation adjust" spread sheet and see how they come out ...

None of this is suggesting that AS is doing worse today than 5 or 10 years ago. Given how often they have crashed and burned financially, even that isn't saying much.

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