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Old 07-26-2007, 04:17 PM   #113
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Other than a shot of karma every once in awhile, is there some way an envious forum member can support this undertaking?
eventually there will be yes...

for example shirts and other logo'd items will eventually be available...

direct communication WITH travelers will be part of the blogs/streamin' video

and some of us might want/need to drop ship supplies while in route....

so an interested person could be part of the caravan and actually help it happen...

i'm sure there will be other creative ways to become involved too.

i'll need fresh carrots!

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Old 07-26-2007, 05:12 PM   #114
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Other than a shot of karma every once in awhile, is there some way an envious forum member can support this undertaking?
ok mistral blue...

now that i'm awake ,

there are other ways specific and important ways to support this undertaking...

andyR has been supportive and offered server space 2 the project...

one of the items we now need to develop is a caravan WEBSITE...

so IF you've got webmaster skills and a little times..

we could use your help...

reply into this thread or send me a pm and i'll make the connections...

other support ideas...

ALL of the planning steps related to the trip can be advanced by folks not going...

just pick an issue or offer a skill...

the caravanners and planning committees CAN use your talents...

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Old 07-27-2007, 08:21 AM   #115
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How do we get in touch with the committees to offer help?

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Old 08-19-2007, 11:19 AM   #116
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Drivers lic?

Hi --

What are the plans for drivers license coverage during this trip? It would seem like a traditional US Operator license will get you a B-C international license, which will *limit trailer weight to 1,650 lbs or GCWR to about 7,700lbs when towing*. The international C license basically puts no weight limit on the truck *as long as you are not towing*. As far as I can tell you need a US CDL-C to get E rating on your international license, which will let you go beyond 1,650 lbs to a regular Airstream trailer weight.

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Old 08-19-2007, 02:39 PM   #117
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Just got some additional information, FWIW. The CDL-C is not enough. You need a CDL-B for the international E.
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hi golddigger and thanks for posting here...

my limited understanding is that aaa issues international drivers licenses...

good for a year.

International Driving Permit

the application is somewhat vague,

a regular u.s. drivers license does allow us to drive >7700lbs, pulling heavy trailers and with more than 8 passengers....

the plan was to join aaa, apply and use there license.

the rules for things like this change regularly so who knows what we will need in 09...

which reminds me, when did my license expire?

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Old 08-24-2007, 05:32 AM   #119
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hi golddigger and thanks for posting here...

my limited understanding is that aaa issues international drivers licenses...

good for a year.

International Driving Permit

the application is somewhat vague,

a regular u.s. drivers license does allow us to drive >7700lbs, pulling heavy trailers and with more than 8 passengers....

the plan was to join aaa, apply and use there license.

the rules for things like this change regularly so who knows what we will need in 09...

which reminds me, when did my license expire?

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Check out this link:
Application for International Driver License, International Driver's Permit, IDl, IDP
You see the "E" option? That is what you need for towing anything above 750Kg (1650lbs). One of the issuers I talked with said it requires a valid US CDL-B or CDL-A to get the "E" option which actually jives with comparable requirements in Europe for a "E".

You can also check out this excerpt from chapter 4 the UN Convention that governs the international drivers license:

For the purpose of the application of paragraph 1 and sub-paragraph 2 (c) of this Article:

(a) A motor vehicle of the category B referred to in Annexes 6 and 7 to this Convention may be coupled to a light trailer, it may also be coupled to a trailer whose permissible maximum weight exceeds 750 kg (1,650 LB) but does not exceed the unloaded with of the motor vehicle if the combined permissible maximum weights of the vehicles so couple does not exceed 3,500 kg (7,700 LB);
(b) A motor vehicle of the category C or of the category D referred to in Annexes 6 and 7 to this convention may be coupled to a light trailer without the resultant combination ceasing to belong to category C or category D.




See also:

International Automobile Drivers Club


Bottom line is that you need an "E" option on your card to tow a trailer with a weight greater than 1650. The question is if AAA will grant you the E option from a US operator license. The issuer I talked with said he needed a valid IDL-B or IDL-A to honor a request for an "E" option.

Not sure if this relates, in any way, to insurance you might need for this trip, presumably underwritten by someone here in the US.

I think the other option to explore is if you are in-transit that you might be allowed to ride your truck/trailer combo since it is legal in your home country. But I do not know.

Regards,

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Incidentally, around here in the North East, it sounds like the going rate for getting a CDL-B is about $3K including the test. It requires about 80 hours of training. The CDL-A is about $5K, including the test. It requires about 160 hours of training.
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And now for another data point :-)

I just spoke with someone at the police in Stockholm, Sweden, asking them how they interpret the rules. Here is what he said:

1. If you are a tourist in transit and have a valid license in your home country for what you are driving, you'll be fine. E.g., a regular US drivers license should be fine for a truck and Airstream. As long as your license is in Latin letters (as is the case for the US) he did not think an IDL was needed.

2. Your trailer must not weight more than the GVWR of your truck

3. It must be possible for the police to determine what you are entitled to drive, either through the license itself (not the case with the US) or with an accompanying document, such as IDL or some papers from your state. In my case, the NH drivers manual spells out what you are entitled to do. You obviously must carry a valid licese with you.

4. It must be possible to determine the GVWR of your truck and trailer to verify point #2. Generally, the truck info is on a sticker by the door and the trailer info is on a plate near the drivers front of the trailer.

5. Width might be an issue for wide-body as far as the police is concerned. Normal rules require that you label a vehicle wider than 2.5m (wide body is about 2.6m).

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Not sure if this relates, in any way, to insurance you might need for this trip, presumably underwritten by someone here in the US.
thanks for diggin around on this issue per...

looks like we're back to valid u.s./canadian license and the aaa thing.

there are a variety of insurance issues and coverages needed...

some will be underwritten stateside and other abroad/internationally...

other ideas or solutions are welcome!

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"Incidentally, around here in the North East, it sounds like the going rate for getting a CDL-B is about $3K including the test. It requires about 80 hours of training. The CDL-A is about $5K, including the test. It requires about 160 hours of training."

In MO-USA you can simply schedule to take the written CDL-B at the local DMV, then when you are ready (you can purchase video tapes and manuals or hire a training facility) you schedule to take the pre-trip & driving potion of the exam. I've had employees that I supervise pass all on the first try, others the pre-trip & driving takes a couple of tries...I think it goes on mechanical aptitude and taking it seriously. Anyway, having met Joe, I think he would have no problems with any of this. I hear he does good on tests! )
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Interesting thread...

Yes, all very interesting.\

The one thing I have not seen referenced is a carnet and the cost associated with it.

This alone will probably "blow" any ideas about selling any/all of the vehicles and/or trailers at the completion of the journey.

For those that do not know what a carnet is please see:

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hi jim

thanks for the post info, and WOW what an adventure you are taking...

we are aware of the carnet de passage...

essentially a passport/visa/bond for imported vehicles/trailer.

required at the border crossing for some of the countries in route.

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hi jim

thanks for the post info, and WOW what an adventure you are taking...

we are aware of the carnet de passage...

essentially a passport/visa/bond for imported vehicles/trailer.

required at the border crossing for some of the countries in route.

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Right you are.

In theory, the objective of the carnet is prevent people from bringing in vehicles and selliing them for profit thereby reducing the maket for locals.

AAA Canada handles all carnets for vehicles registered in North America.

Be aware that you must get the carnet stamped upon entry AND exit of a country. If the vehicle is NOT with you when you exit, or the carnet does not have an exit stamp, you forfit the bond that you posted for the carnet. Generally the carnet value will be 3 to 4 times the value of the vehicle.

This alone is one reason why most folks do not travel with new vehicles; or vehicles that might be "perceived" to be worth much.

Good luck in your adventures...

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We committed eleven months ago to this fantastic dream, but were more involved with sticks'n'bricks, work, family, stuff. A few weeks ago one of the other CCCC people commented to me, "the people without a trailer for the Africa trip may not feel very committed yet." Bingo!

For me, the trip seemed a little dreamy, pretty unreal being so far in the future. (even though it isn't, considering all the stuff we all have to do to get ready)

I just wasn't really getting into it until we locked into a trailer this week. We pick it up Monday, an Argosy 24. Now we're tuning in more sharply. Now I find this forum. Now I find the CCCC group site (at least I think/hope I did). Read this thread tonight and it pumps me up. This is great!
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