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Old 07-22-2006, 11:27 PM   #15
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I have worked and lived in many parts of Africa. Namibia, Angola, Zaire, Mozambique, Ethiopia, Sudan, Chad and Libya. Never got to Egypt. Not a chance in Hell a Caravan of "Enlightened Adventurers" in an Airstream could do this proposed trip in the World of today....it is not 1950.....Hemingways' Africa is gone. There is a wartime setting in all these countries, general lawlessness and a Cultural divide most have never experienced. Even in Zimbabwe today it would be a challenge.Keep the pink flamingos and blue beanies at home....sip your gin and tonic and plan your next Caravan across Columbia and Bolivia.
Yea, I know....pessemistic, grumpy, no adventure, old man!
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How about a Chicago to Cairo (IL) caravan? We could do that!
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Old 07-22-2006, 11:57 PM   #17
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Jim and all,

I hope this isnt considered highjacking a thread. My intent was to follow the theme with a twist initiated by Marc. If done correctly, this could be done in a first class fashion. Corporate sponsership could finance almost everything. The possible corporate sponser list is without end. I believe that we could develop a plan which would have corporate sponsers bidding to participate.

Besides the sponsership from GM or Ford to supply for TVs.

Oil companies such as British Petroleum or Shell would supply fuel.

Tire companies such as Goodyear or Michelin would supply tires.

Airlines such as Virgin or American would supply air transportation.

Coke or Pepsi would supply fluids. (they both have water labels)

FedEx or UPS would supply logistics support.

Are you getting the idea. The list goes on as far as one could imagine.
Even financial institutions could get in on the act.

As for the WBCCI, wouldnt this be a great way to boost new sales for Airstream via the club, after all, isnt that the reason that Wally really started the "Club". Among other talents, he was a great promoter.

As a MAL, the forum is the best way for me to add my 2 cents.

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Old 07-23-2006, 12:07 AM   #18
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I have worked and lived in many parts of Africa. Namibia, Angola, Zaire, Mozambique, Ethiopia, Sudan, Chad and Libya. Never got to Egypt. Not a chance in Hell a Caravan of "Enlightened Adventurers" in an Airstream could do this proposed trip in the World of today....it is not 1950.....Hemingways' Africa is gone. There is a wartime setting in all these countries, general lawlessness and a Cultural divide most have never experienced. Even in Zimbabwe today it would be a challenge.Keep the pink flamingos and blue beanies at home....sip your gin and tonic and plan your next Caravan across Columbia and Bolivia.
Yea, I know....pessemistic, grumpy, no adventure, old man!
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Yes..... but you are here to tell your story! That's got to be worth something! Were you so young that you didn't realize what danger you were in while in these areas?
While living in Morocco for 3 years, we experienced two coup attempts on King Hassan's life originating from the Moroccan base where we lived(joint USAF/USN base to covertly provide communications with the 6th fleet in the Med.....while training Moroccans.....also served as a Moroccan Army Officer School)! I won't go into more detail, except to say we were scared.....but survived!

As to pink flamingos and blue beanies......we don't own any.....and we certainly don't drink gin and tonic!
And how old of a grumpy old man are ya?
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Old 07-23-2006, 12:22 AM   #19
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How about a Chicago to Cairo (IL) caravan? We could do that!
hi cosmo.....
don't they have shoulder lauched grenades in chitown now too?
now that's a location i would be scared to pull my airstream!


how about seattle to cabo....it would be hard to get lost...
as added adventure we could take the baja ferry over to mexico main land and visit the 7-8 gm factories while working back to texas...
for those that don't want to drive baja pulling a trailer, there is a service that will load'em on flat cars and rail them down...or back.

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melody ranch,
you are of course correct.
crossing borders would be the easiest part....
lots of militia from every flavor everywhere...
and hiv in every villiage...
i'v done medical missionary work and
hand many machine guns in my face at every turn....
while i only got malaria and dengue fever and typhod fever...
i came close to getting 'lead fever' many times....
seeing this/living in this
drains everything from ya....
even if not catching the latest bug.
ebola virus, marbury agent and others make the bird flu look minor...
anybody want to eat monkey meat?
anybody wanna piss off the guy offering you the monkey meat?

perhaps they need to work on a playstation2 version of the trip...
we could all go then!

with the right size party and surrounding folks (geographic, red cross, a foriegn legion or 2 packs of mercenaries....it might work...there are good will groups and small travel parties making this trek, walking, cycling and so on...
but many bail out b4 the final destination...

anyone thinking about ths route,
just needs to look at the map i posted,
and log on to the government websites
for the details, restrictions and issues in each of those countries....

it is impressive and scary to read what the state department says for 'travelers'....in this area...

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Old 07-23-2006, 12:32 AM   #20
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Jim and all,

I hope this isnt considered highjacking a thread.
Not at all.....in fact without more of Burt's facts we can plan this thing ourselves.........how about an "AS forums" C to C Caravan!

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My intent was to follow the theme with a twist initiated by Marc. If done correctly, this could be done in a first class fashion. Corporate sponsership could finance almost everything. The possible corporate sponser list is without end. I believe that we could develop a plan which would have corporate sponsers bidding to participate.

Besides the sponsership from GM or Ford to supply for TVs.

Oil companies such as British Petroleum or Shell would supply fuel.

Tire companies such as Goodyear or Michelin would supply tires.

Airlines such as Virgin or American would supply air transportation.

Coke or Pepsi would supply fluids. (they both have water labels)

FedEx or UPS would supply logistics support.

Are you getting the idea.
Yup! Maybe Starbucks too......I need my frappicinos!

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The list goes on as far as one could imagine.
Even financial institutions could get in on the act.

As for the WBCCI, wouldnt this be a great way to boost new sales for Airstream via the club, after all, isnt that the reason that Wally really started the "Club". Among other talents, he was a great promoter.

As a MAL, the forum is the best way for me to add my 2 cents.

John
John,
Just keep up your MAL membership and you'll be eligible for this one......after all....."caravans are WBCCI's best kept secrets" ........a quote from a caravan seminar I went to in Salem!
Seriously, you've brought out some great points.......just have to sell them to Coporate America.........and convince the Governments of Countries we travel thru to provide all the firepower that "Druupy" referred to in the previous post to ensure safe passage!
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hey jordandvm....

andyr does have a travel forums......
http://www.ityt.com/forums/
way down in the lower right page of our forums....

just popped over there and they do have discussions of south africa, cape town, egypt and some of the spots along the way....

check it out
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Old 07-23-2006, 12:53 AM   #22
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Hey.....how about that!

2air
Thanks for the tip......I'll check it out!
This thread is goin' down the wrong wabbit hole anyway.......maybe you've straigtened out my original search for knowledge on this subject...........and it was right under my nose!!
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Old 07-23-2006, 10:05 AM   #23
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A couple of thoughts.... I'm surprised AS is talking up the used end of the market.... so you buy a trailer, fix it up, then hope to sell it at the end? Who's marketing those trailers for you? A better thought that I have would be for AS to use their EU line of trailers (lighter for a smaller tow vehicle, NEW, easier fit down the roads (i.e. 7.5ft wide vs. the 8 or 8.5 ft wide of that year vintage), and MUCH easier resale at the end. Both their single axle and tandems would work out length wise.

I'm not sure why a 22 ft or 19ft CCD wouldn't work... it might actually be cheaper in the long run as far as rehabbing is concerned. I'd just swap out the current Dexter's for a slightly more positive angle axle (although by sight, I think they might have as much clearance as the vintage you're looking at) say 35 degrees? I'd go tandem myself for carring ability and redundency for safety.

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The CCDs are really crumby ground clearance - all the new trailers do. And most of them are wider. No way.

Since the intent is to sell rather than ship back, the recommendation for a rehabbed older one is good. Probably cost effective too.

If you bought a mid seventies 23 footer (double axle) and paid $8,000 for it and fixed EVERY system you would still have less than 20,000 into it! Less than half of a new one.

Seems like the way to go - start looking for that trailer nOW!
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What would Wally do?

Consider the alternatives:

http://maps.yahoo.com/dd_result?newa...ak&tcountry=us

Smallest to Largest, Rhode Island to Alaska 4500 miles - half of it gravel.

Round the horn,
Seattle to San Diego, then
circled wagons an a barge thru the Panama canal, then
Brownsville Texas to Boston?

Loop the USA, Pick any place to start and take the long way home.

North to the ice,
Start at Sturgis SD, then
head North till you see snowpack, then
have a picknick.
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Last time I crossed the border 3 female custom agents kept me for most of the day.
They emptied my fridg and freezer into the sink, dumped all my coffee and flour out.
Made me remove all the cloths from the closets, and they went thru each pocket.
Made me empty the complete contents of my TV out on to the ground.
Went thru my daytimer, DVD collection, and CD collection.
Sprayed some nasty smelling stuff inside the rig which made it uninhabitable for 3 days (it made you choke), and charged me for the 2 bottles of wine I had on board.

And this was just the Canadian border.

A side note, a few DVD's went missing
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I have worked and lived in many parts of Africa. Namibia, Angola, Zaire, Mozambique, Ethiopia, Sudan, Chad and Libya. Never got to Egypt. Not a chance in Hell a Caravan of "Enlightened Adventurers" in an Airstream could do this proposed trip in the World of today....it is not 1950.....Hemingways' Africa is gone. There is a wartime setting in all these countries, general lawlessness and a Cultural divide most have never experienced. Even in Zimbabwe today it would be a challenge.Keep the pink flamingos and blue beanies at home....sip your gin and tonic and plan your next Caravan across Columbia and Bolivia.
Yea, I know....pessemistic, grumpy, no adventure, old man!
Been to a few of those myself, ON THE GOVERNMENT DIME. Never in my lifetime would I take my wife to most of these countries. Ok, Ok, send me your flack but I live in the real world where people point guns at you and they don't like you because you are an AMERICAN. Yep, been there done that - looked at the pavement in Abidjan with an AK47 in the back of my neck - thank God for my driver and $22 in US currency that fit their need at the time.

Africa, It's a beautiful land - but times HAVE CHANGED, idealists and dreamers have fun, I've had my share.
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will I'm tired of reading all the collectible books and seeing all the amazing airstream photos of the 50's. I want in on this action myself! I bought my airstream anticipating some serious adventure. so you can count me in on this african caravan. what an opportunity. If I can help out with any of the planning for this caravan, I'd be interested. I'll be airstreaming full time starting in about two months. I'll have some time to spare.

Who ever said you should wait till your 65 to retire. hell i'm 28. Thanks for informative initial post.
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I would love an amazing adventure with an AS caravan. Someplace exciting (and challenging perhaps) but not necessarily life threatening. Yes, times really have changed since the 50's. We need to be somewhat realistic here. I agree with many others that my idea of a caravan is more about adventure and intriguing locations and less about luncheons and cheese factory visits. Isn't there an alternate trip that would capture that original spirit of adventure without causing an international incident?

Any other ideas for unique travel destinations?
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