Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 10-31-2009, 03:42 PM   #1
2 Rivet Member
 
2008 22' Safari
Daniel , Wyoming
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 22
Raising the 'Blimp' for Wyo Dirt Roads

Hi! I am getting the swing of this forum so here is a question. I need some advise. We live in Wyoming, do fly fishing anywhere, and pursue the perfect photo far from the maddening crowds. Our cabin is mile off the main road on a steep (in spots) and bumpy dirt road. We have a 22' Safari Sport single axle and my question is has anyone raised a AS to gain more clearance. I have been talking to a welder who will weld a 3 - 3.5" channel under our AS to raise it the 3 or so inches. Is this advisable? Any issues I have not considered? We have discussed how to get everything lined up and bolted back into place after the 'lift'. Thanks in advance for any input.... Tom
__________________

__________________
fotozone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2009, 03:54 PM   #2
Moderator
 
moosetags's Avatar

 
2015 25' FB Flying Cloud
2012 23' FB Flying Cloud
2005 25' Safari
Santa Rosa Beach , Florida
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 10,762
Images: 5
Greetings from the Florida Panhandle

I would be a little concerned that raising the center of gravity might have some negative effects on pulling the trailer on the highway. I am wondering if there is some kind of air shock or air bag that could be used to raise the trailer temporarily for the rough terrain.

Brian
__________________

__________________
SuEllyn & Brian McCabe
WBCCI #3628 -- AIR #14872 -- TAC #FL-7
2015 FC 25' FB (Lucy) with HAHA
2005 Suburban 2500 Quadrasteer (Olivia) & 2018 Silverado 2500 (Lillian)
moosetags is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2009, 04:36 PM   #3
_
 
. , .
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 8,812
Quote:
Originally Posted by fotozone View Post
Hi! I am getting the swing of this forum so here is a question....
...bumpy dirt road.
We have a 22' Safari Sport single axle
...and my question is has anyone raised a AS to gain more clearance....
hi foto'

swing over to the search feature and u will find this question asked dozens of times...

many versions of this ? are VERY cockeye'd...

here are just a few that are not...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f437...oud-26588.html

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f44/...ting-8529.html

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f42/...ams-22102.html

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f437...ift-10805.html

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f44/...ift-53269.html

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f437...ler-21949.html

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f437...lla-27051.html

ne1 with money, time, tools, a torch and parts can lift a trailer,

but is it SMART or USEFUL or SAFE to do so ?

u decide.
______________

the PRIMARY issue with that model/size is not ground clearance,

but CARRY CAPACITY.

wanna share the carry capacity after adding water, lp gas and options?

so given how LITTLE this unit is rated to CARRY,

a reasonable about of GEAR, food, water and toys...

will stress the axles and effectively LOWER the ground clearance.

______________

so the most DIRECT approach to both of these issues (clearance and CARRY CAPACITY)

is to install a HIGHER rated axle with a STEEPER angle,

directly fitted withOUT frame mods.

this would allow for a little more gear AND space underneath.

one could followup this with slightly larger wheels n tires, adding another 1 or so to clearance.
______________

among the many reasons NOT to alter the ride height some OTHER way (like welding) ...

1. the POOR handling/hiway manners and negatively altered control from hackin' her UP...

2. the likelyhood that welding/lifting will VOID the warranty on axles/frame/shell and so on...

cheers
2air'
__________________
all of the true things that i am about to tell you are shameless lies. l.b.j.

we are here on earth to fart around. don't let anybody tell you any different. k.v.
2airishuman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2009, 05:53 PM   #4
Rivet Master
Airstream Dealer
 
Inland RV Center, In's Avatar
 
Corona , California
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 16,499
Images: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by fotozone View Post
Hi! I am getting the swing of this forum so here is a question. I need some advise. We live in Wyoming, do fly fishing anywhere, and pursue the perfect photo far from the maddening crowds. Our cabin is mile off the main road on a steep (in spots) and bumpy dirt road. We have a 22' Safari Sport single axle and my question is has anyone raised a AS to gain more clearance. I have been talking to a welder who will weld a 3 - 3.5" channel under our AS to raise it the 3 or so inches. Is this advisable? Any issues I have not considered? We have discussed how to get everything lined up and bolted back into place after the 'lift'. Thanks in advance for any input.... Tom

Tom.

Raising the trailer, will not add ground clearance, since the axle tube is closest to the ground. Raising the trailer has zero effect on the axle.

You can replace the axle, with a greater starting angle, which raises everything.

Andy
__________________
Inland RV Center, In is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2009, 09:02 PM   #5
3 Rivet Member
 
2005 16' International CCD
Ogden , Utah
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 221
Tom
What parts of Wyo do you go to the most? I used to live in Cheyenne & now am in Utah -for jobs, etc

My range is Wind Rivers, Big Horns, & Yellowstone. Mostly we camp in NFS campgrounds -almost always some gravel roads with washerboard & ruts to get in - always take the really bad parts slow & never had trouble with standard suspension - are you going to go off road?

Upgrading wheels & tires will give you an extra ~1" & is easy to do ((check out the wheel well clearance first).

Bob
__________________
Bob
Ogden, Utah
2005 16' CCD
2005 Dodge Ram 2500 Quad Cab 4WD
RDM16CCD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-01-2009, 05:09 AM   #6
Rivet Master
 
1977 31' Sovereign
1963 26' Overlander
1989 34' Excella
Johnsburg , Illinois
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,941
The most common bottoming problem with the low profile of Airstreams is the tail drags because of the rear overhang. It is usually not that the axle hits the ground. The way to raise the back end is to lower the front end. Use a lower than usual hitch ball and no w/d bars when you encounter bad conditions. I regularly carry a spare 6 inch drop hitch for just such occasions. Remember to go slow because these types of roads will destroy your Airstream at higher speeds. Put the higher hitch and W/D bars back on when you hit the freeway.
__________________
dwightdi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-01-2009, 07:00 AM   #7
Rivet Master
 
mandolindave's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 2,115
Images: 4
Your place sounds wonderful, just camp at home.

I am kidding. Welcome Tom, greetings and all that good stuff

What some of my friends did to get up to a
mountain campsite, was to mount a set of wheels
( casters ?) on the rear of their trailer. It was easier for them
do, because they have SOBs and didn't have
a belly pan. They could easily see where the frame was and
where to mount the wheels. But I guess it could be done on an
Airstream.

Oh and do try to use the Search function. ( If you have 2 hours to waste and not find what you are looking for )
__________________
mandolindave is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-01-2009, 08:08 AM   #8
Rivet Master
 
1977 31' Sovereign
1963 26' Overlander
1989 34' Excella
Johnsburg , Illinois
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 2,941
Caster are no good on dirt roads. Their small footprint quickly digs in and only causes more problems. Casters are good for getting out of gas station driveways (slowly), when a dip at the gutter of the road causes the back of the Airstream to drag. They are not the ideal solution, but may serve a need backing into a paved driveway or campsite that goes up hill and causes the rear of the trailer to drag.
__________________
dwightdi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-01-2009, 08:26 AM   #9
Rivet Master
Airstream Dealer
 
Inland RV Center, In's Avatar
 
Corona , California
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 16,499
Images: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by dwightdi View Post
Caster are no good on dirt roads. Their small footprint quickly digs in and only causes more problems. Casters are good for getting out of gas station driveways (slowly), when a dip at the gutter of the road causes the back of the Airstream to drag. They are not the idea solution but may serve a need backing into a paved driveway or campsite that goes up hill and causes the rear of the trailer to drag.
The first "major" hit with casters on the rear frame, will be one or two quarter panels that get damaged at the bottom.

We replace many of them for that reason.

Airstream installs "skid" plates.

They work ok, as long as the trailer is not turning.

Ricky dirt roads with big grooves, is not a place for Airstreams.

Airstream use to publish "Your Airstream will go wherever your tow vehicle can".

NOT TRUE.

It can't go under 8 to 9 foot bridges and it shouldn't be asked to go, without enduring problems, down dirt roads with big ruts, and that are never maintained.

Nor can it go thru two feet of water, without serious problems.

Andy
__________________
Inland RV Center, In is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-01-2009, 11:37 AM   #10
Rivet Master
 
Lumatic's Avatar

 
1971 25' Tradewind
1993 34' Excella
Currently Looking...
Estancia , New Mexico
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 6,642
Images: 16
Blog Entries: 1
Ditto on the rear end drag thing.

I also once went up a good hill at the top of which was a knob resulting in the front half of the trailer bottoming out as it went over and ripping off one of the BAL stabilizers.

I also have never had a problem with axle clearance.
__________________
Sail on silver girl. Sail on by. Your time has come to shine.
Lumatic is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-01-2009, 11:44 AM   #11
Tom, the Uber Disney Fan
 
Minnie's Mate's Avatar
 
2006 30' Safari
Orlando , Florida
Join Date: Aug 2004
Posts: 4,693
Images: 7
Andy is right about the casters and the rest, too. If you put casters on the rear of the trailer, the most appropriate points are the frame extension for the rear bumper. The issue is that when you add them, you lower the point of the rear that will drag, thus lowering the clearance...again, coming out of driveways and gas stations. This defeats the purpose of the casters. You hit the pavement at shallower angles than you would without them. Hope this makes sense.
__________________
2006 30' Safari - "Changes in Latitudes"
2008 F-250 Lariat Power Stroke Diesel Crew Cab SWB
Family of Disney Fanatics
WBCCI# 4821
http://streaminacrossamerica.com/
Minnie's Mate is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-01-2009, 11:53 AM   #12
_
 
. , .
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 8,812
Quote:
Originally Posted by mandolindave View Post
...mount a set of wheels( casters ?) on the rear of their trailer...I guess it could be done on an Airstream.

Oh and do try to use the Search function. ( If you have 2 hours to waste and not find what you are looking for )
how 'bout 2 minutes...

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f44/...ers-56859.html

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f36/...els-28369.html

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f48/...nce-25098.html

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f238...ate-10183.html

cheers
2air'
__________________
all of the true things that i am about to tell you are shameless lies. l.b.j.

we are here on earth to fart around. don't let anybody tell you any different. k.v.
2airishuman is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-01-2009, 12:07 PM   #13
Don't forget your cat nap
 
Ag&Au's Avatar
 
Port Orchard , Washington
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 4,464
Images: 1
Quote:
Originally Posted by Inland RV Center, In View Post
The first "major" hit with casters on the rear frame, will be one or two quarter panels that get damaged at the bottom.

We replace many of them for that reason.

Airstream installs "skid" plates.

They work ok, as long as the trailer is not turning
...............................................
Andy
Hi Andy,
Why are casters worse than the skid plates alone? It would seem to me that if casters or wheels were mounted on the ends of the skid plates so that the bottom of the wheels were say 1/2 inch or less below the skid plates, it would also save grinding down the skid plates.
Regards,
Ken
__________________
Ag&Au is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-01-2009, 12:15 PM   #14
_
 
. , .
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 8,812
Quote:
Originally Posted by w7ts View Post
...Why are casters worse than the skid plates alone?...
they aren't worse but almost NO one who adds them does it in a way that keeps the departure angle the same...

and skid plates MAKE A LOT OF NOISE, which warns the driver about dragging...

wheels just roll along, WHILE allowing 4 flex in the frame and shell UP (not good)

skid plates also are better when backing UP because they DIG IN sooner and warn the driver to STOP digging.
___________________

the ideal set up would be a belly mounted camera with views of the tires AND skid plates....

or a dash mounted beeeeping/ FLASHING light connected to a 'contact sensor' on the skid plates...

or a DUMP VALVE release/firing mechanism to lubricate the skid plates on contact with the ground...

think 007 but with poop not oil sprayed on the roadway...

some gizmos is good!

cheers
2air'
__________________

__________________
all of the true things that i am about to tell you are shameless lies. l.b.j.

we are here on earth to fart around. don't let anybody tell you any different. k.v.
2airishuman is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
New from Wyo kkrt miller Member Introductions 5 10-15-2009 02:42 PM
Hello from snowbound Wyo Stella Member Introductions 8 01-13-2008 05:48 PM
raising a 345mh 345bill Classic Motorhomes 2 12-31-2007 11:32 AM
raising the trailer atvmcg Repairing/Replacing Floor &/or Frame 9 11-18-2005 10:10 AM
Raising Trailer Height John Sims Axles 2 06-24-2003 11:52 AM


Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by




Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 05:13 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

Airstream is a registered trademark of Airstream Inc. All rights reserved. Airstream trademark used under license to Social Knowledge LLC.