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Old 11-01-2009, 12:58 PM   #15
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Red face The Diaper theory

Hi Tom,


In an effort to elaborate on my esteemed Airforums colleagues sage advise, I'd like to employ a little visual if I may


Let us use the underwear analogy.


Think of your underwear as the skid plate under your Airstream.
A visible skid mark in your underwear is a warning that you cut one a bit to close , same as the noise created by the skid plate mounted under your Airstream indicates you cut an incline a bit to close .

On the other hand, think of casters as a diaper. The false sense of security created by the "casters/diaper" may lead to overconfidence, hence cutting one a bit to close. Equipped with this overconfidence, and coupled with no skid mark warning sound, you may find yourself in a load of c@#p.


Hope this simple little visual/olfactory example helps
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Old 11-01-2009, 01:46 PM   #16
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Well I guess they told me.

Andy, to me you are the Airstream Guru. I trust your advice about Airstreams without question. Thank you for setting the record staight.
However, I live at the top of a hill on a dirt road. Where I am from
" dirt " roads are anything but dirt. Gravel alone is never used except for
a thin layer for traction in the winter. My road surface is a mixture of clay
rock dust, and shale. It is vibrated, and compacted. It is hard as rock.
I believe you, that many of your customers have damaged their trailer by using casters. Perhaps the people that didn't damage their trailers, never showed up at your shop.
I can not, in all good faith recommend casters, but I think that I would rather roll over a small mound than scape my trailer on the ground. My friends have had good luck with theirs for now. But thanks for the heads up. I think I will nix my idea of casters.

Oh ...I have rarely had good results with the search function. I always have to wade through a lot of threads about anything but what I am looking for. That's why I am so appreciative of the forum members who
take the time out to help me. I side step the search funtion out of frustration, not lazyness.
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Old 11-01-2009, 02:51 PM   #17
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Hi Andy,
Why are casters worse than the skid plates alone? It would seem to me that if casters or wheels were mounted on the ends of the skid plates so that the bottom of the wheels were say 1/2 inch or less below the skid plates, it would also save grinding down the skid plates.
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Skid plates can easily and very cheaply be plated to compensate for the wear.

Quarter panels, cost as a minimum, $1200.00 EACH to replace.

Not much to decide.

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Old 11-01-2009, 06:20 PM   #18
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...In an effort to elaborate on my esteemed Airforums colleagues sage advise, I'd like to employ a little visual if I may


Let us use the underwear analogy....
excellent advice art'

and from a guy who KNOWS about seat of the pants 'streaming...

first hand.
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given the demographics here the mods are rapidly at work on a DIAPER FORUM...

with subFORUMS on...

-which brand is best pampers/snuggies (the answer is it depends)

-with warnings about SUBER HEAVY DUTY diapers, since they're bad for your back...

-then there will be elaborate discussions on LOAD distribution....

-and some will promote LIGHTER load bars, so as NOT 2 shake yer poo so much.

-there will be a section on AIR RIDES (ya know those doughnut inflated things)

-and how to determine when the suspension is shot (dragging poop is a clue)

-of course folks with TINY units will be dealing with CARRY CAPACITY (see super heavy duty diaper section)

-sway control and stopping power will have much different meanings...

-then they'll be the disposable vs organic factions and feuds,

-and warnings about those evil chinese diapers that blow-out without warning...

-and a complete video library, where folks can post pix of THEIR sid marks and ask for feedback...

-no doubt someone will be against EXPORTING used/vintage diapers for profit.

-and so on...

naturally they'll be a group promoting the wb' diapers (which come with red number and a hat)

but THAT model will have a LOT of trouble keeping its members in line...

and issues with the officers getting paid to run around in their diapers.

lets not 4get the lot of historical purists, trying 2 get back 2 what is was like to haul crap in the good ole'daze...

along with vendors pedaling diaper replacements, oem vs aftermarket and issues with shipping or price increases...
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i predict there will be a LOT LESS help looking INSIDE belly pans for problems...

with very few volunteer inspectors willing 2 check out a set of vintage diapers for a buyer.

and searching the past diaper threads for pearls will be discouraged...

finally a good reason NOT to look in the archives...

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Old 11-01-2009, 08:23 PM   #19
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Some where in here is the answer to...

Stick with a rope...

Where is that thread...
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...Stick with a rope...Where is that thread...
this one ???

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f44/...hed-57167.html

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Old 11-02-2009, 12:20 PM   #21
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Wow! I did not expect such a firestorm of stuff. Thanks to all! I was looking to raise axle 3 inches to gain front and back road clearance. I drag the skid plates 'big time' when going into our cabin (and soon to be only house!). With a single axle I thought it could be done fairly easily but I may be (some have said 'am') wrong. I am tracking down a guy in SLC that did just that and , supposedly, loves it. He has a 23' Silver Cloud. I let you all know what I do.... Tom
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Now I'm wondering what is the best food to eat to provide the best natural grease for the skid plates? Perhaps a tablespoon of castor oil before travels although lots of beans are always a reliable choice. Now I know why older Airstreams had a rear drain—good for those African caravans with really bad roads. Someone will soon be marketing the Organic Grease System.

Perhaps the stick with rope attached (you need two) is taped to the bumper and the rope holds an oil can?

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I was thinking I could attach my old XC skis (cut down to size of course!) and 'wax' them with slime and axle grease........T
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I was thinking I could attach my old XC skis (cut down to size of course!) and 'wax' them with slime and axle grease........T
this WILL work nicely T...

but only if they are a/s APPROVED skis.
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the nice thing about your model/unit is that it's narrower than most streams...

which improves navigation on dicey paths.

departure/entry angle ( 2.) CLEARANCE and (1.) POT HOLES and (3.) LUMPS in the road are 3 different issues...

not all solved with the same hack.

1. 2 or 3 axles are BETTER for potholes because the trailer can articulate holes if driven SLOWLY, very SLOWLY.

2. SHORT trailers with (short overhangs) are better for entry/depart incline issues.

2. and RAISING the SHELL may help with that (while creating other issues)

but CRAWL UNDER your trailer and LOOK at the axle tube...

3. clearance THERE (for lumps) will not increase with out...

3. BIGGER WHEELS/tires or a NEW axle with a STEEPER angle to RISE above the lumps...
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so u might wanna KNOCK down the roadway BUMPS...

or cover them with loaded diapers.

FULL diapers can also be used to FILL the potholes, but the brakes/bearings/hubs might need service afta'...
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gene and hiho'...

i think a/s as halted production of sticknropes...

something about quality control or corrosion or too many warranty claims after bubble making...

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Old 11-02-2009, 01:03 PM   #25
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If getting into the cabin is the only problem, any way to knock down some of the high spots and fill in some of the lows on the driveway/ road?
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Yes 2air, I asked when I was in JC if I could get a stick with rope attached since I felt I needed one someday, but they discontinued production some time ago. They sold all their inventory to Inland Andy and you'll have to contact him for yours—$19.95 for the standard model, aluminum stick is $29.95.

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