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Old 07-07-2012, 11:08 AM   #15
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On a side note regarding wires, I will add that when I bought my stream, the outside radio antenna on the roof (black flexible type) was missing and the metal around the mounting opening was bent. The mount screw was down into the hole and I was unable to find the wire location in the wall so I just mounted and sealed a new antenna on the mount screw. I mention this because I have as of yet to find where ANY coax type cable runs in the walls of my AS. I had the roof vent out but saw nothing and also took the roof locker access panel off to the radio only to find wires running off in oblivion. My radio is mounted in the front right upper locker. Above that on the roof is the Winegard antenna and the radio antenna is mounted in the middle of the top front (about 4 feet from the radio locker) My model does not have factory AV options in the locker. I added them in the credenza where the TV wire shows up.
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Old 07-07-2012, 11:15 AM   #16
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Why do you want to reinvent the wheel?
WiFiRanger has done all the engineering on this and results in a simple install on any Airstream or any other brand.

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Yes, well, when I did some digging on the WiFi Ranger solution, there was quite a bit of negative information on it and their product reviews were low AND the 3G store rep told me of issues.
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Old 07-07-2012, 11:26 AM   #17
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Many people, myself included just run the wire down the refrigerator vent. I did this for my solar panel.
However, I wanted to keep the wire short for my cell phone to minimize loss so I just drilled straight through the inner and outer skins over the location were I wanted to sit while using the cell phone.
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In my short 2 months of WiFiSky experience, I can say I am extremely happy with it. It is just a matter of using and gaining familiarity with it. There is now more information on their website for questions.
Can be mounted anywhere with simple modifications in the field.

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Yes, well, when I did some digging on the WiFi Ranger solution, there was quite a bit of negative information on it and their product reviews were low AND the 3G store rep told me of issues.
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Old 07-07-2012, 12:06 PM   #19
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Thanks. When I first started looking into this I was advised by some on the forum about the WiFi Master system, that they were happy with theirs. Then when I went forward I was met with differing advise. One thing I am looking at is a potential twofold antenna solution. Originally when I shared that I wanted to boost WiFi signal strength AND get a MiFi solution via a data card. The advice I got told me that I would have to have two separate antennas for each need and various other equipment. Then later discussions with 3G store reps led me to this one antenna that I was told would do most of both WiFI and Mifi signals but be directional. I liked that solution and thought that I could mount it on the Winegard antenna rod that turns via the roof handle.
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Thanks. When I first started looking into this I was advised by some on the forum about the WiFi Master system, that they were happy with theirs. Then when I went forward I was met with differing advise. One thing I am looking at is a potential twofold antenna solution. Originally when I shared that I wanted to boost WiFi signal strength AND get a MiFi solution via a data card. The advice I got told me that I would have to have two separate antennas for each need and various other equipment. Then later discussions with 3G store reps led me to this one antenna that I was told would do most of both WiFI and Mifi signals but be directional. I liked that solution and thought that I could mount it on the Winegard antenna rod that turns via the roof handle.
On your wiring, be careful of the length. It's not just a "wire" but a RF cable, meaning it will have to carry the signal from the outside to the inside. The assumption that an outdoor antenna, with a coax cable into the coach, that will help for both WiFi and 3/4G is not accurate. You will have to have an amplifier inside to counter the losses in the RF cable, and a single amplifier will not handle 3/4G cellular modulation, and WiFi modulation. If you put a 3-5db gain antenna outside, and run 25ft of LMR-100 (commonly used) will drop apx 4.5db in the cable, and .5db for each connection. Resulting loss, is 5db which will all but cancel out any benefit.

See this for info on cable loss:
Coaxial cable - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The amps for cellular will work fine if you keep the cable short, and have a good high-gain antenna. But keep in mind, a simple passive antenna strategically located inside the coach will work for about 99% of the USA.
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Yes, well, when I did some digging on the WiFi Ranger solution, there was quite a bit of negative information on it and their product reviews were low AND the 3G store rep told me of issues.
Early WiFiRanger experiences were, well early. We were breaking ground on some un-charted things. The latest products are extremely easy to use, and much simpler to operate than others.

The 3G store no longer carries our product. We decided that we can support customers better directly, reduce middlemen, and as such brought all distribution in house. Since they don't sell it, they probably will not recommend it. Their experience with the product is about a year old, so they have no current knowledge of the capabilities or how well it works.
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Old 07-28-2012, 08:17 PM   #22
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On your wiring, be careful of the length. It's not just a "wire" but a RF cable, meaning it will have to carry the signal from the outside to the inside. The assumption that an outdoor antenna, with a coax cable into the coach, that will help for both WiFi and 3/4G is not accurate. You will have to have an amplifier inside to counter the losses in the RF cable, and a single amplifier will not handle 3/4G cellular modulation, and WiFi modulation.
On this note, I was told to buy the "low loss" special cable (which I referrred to as a wire), run it up to no more than 20' if possible and use the SLEEK's external antenna connection for hookup to the antenna mounted on the WineGard rod. This setup would function as the cell boosting signal. IF a WiFi signal was present, the SLEEK would be disconnected from the antenna and a WiFi device connected to the antenna. I saved the cart on the website with the suggested "device" but offhand do not remember what it is. It also acts as a router I believe inside the coach.

Obviously I am not trying to be brand loyal but seek options and solutions. I note that some here are sellers of a product that I am openly sharing my findings with including negatives. I am not "against" any product at this point but trying to zero in on what to get.

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The 3G store no longer carries our product. We decided that we can support customers better directly, reduce middlemen, and as such brought all distribution in house. Since they don't sell it, they probably will not recommend it.
Understood. It is logical to assume that they would support their products. Your product sounds like it covers 2/3rds of the Internet connection goal. How do your customers deal with weak cell signals where no WiFi is present? (the other 3rd) Will the SLEEK work with an aircard solution simultaneously used by your Ranger Go? What about the antenna for the SLEEK?
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I looked at the specs for the sleek. I believe you will see some improvement in cellular service in weak signal areas but you will not see any improvement in WiFi signal because the sleek's bandwidth on the 1900 side does not cover the 2.4Ghz Wifi frequency range. To get an improvement in Wifi signal you must overcome the signal loss because of the shielding from the Airstream construction. I have found that an external antenna is the only way. An external patch antenna and separate cable would be required. you need two antennas and two cables.
You are correct 2ndflats. My plan is to use the SLEEK only for cellular boosting and disconnect the antenna cable to a WiFi router device with external antenna jack when WiFi is present. In other words, try WiFi first, then move to SLEEK and cellular as a backup for Internet.
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The antenna is the Wilson directional 301157. The frequency range is:

700-800 / 824-894 / 880-890 / 1710-1880 / 1850-1990 / 2110-2500mhz
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Rodsterninfl,

In an earlier post, you mentioned that you were considering using a MiFi for a cellular data connection. Is that still your intention?

If so, the MiFi is a WiFi hotspot. The Wilson Sleek booster amplifier and antenna is designed to receive and transmit the cellular frequency signals the MiFi uses to connect to a cell phone network (Verizon, Sprint, ATT, etc.).

You can then use the WiFiRanger to connect to either campground or other free WiFi, or to connect to the MiFi's WiFi signal; either of which will provide an Internet connection through the WiFiRanger using "WiFi as WAN".

Note: The mobile broadband setup I have uses a MiFi connected via "WiFi as WAN" to a PepWave SURF On-The-Go (SOTG) mobile router, and it works fine in this configuration. I would think the WiFiRanger would work equally well in a similar setup.

Please sent me a PM, if you would like to discuss details further.

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