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Old 07-27-2016, 04:01 AM   #71
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I like the idea of a handheld GPS for hiking, bicycling, kayaking, etc. The DeLorme inReach handheld has the added feature of being able to text even when there's no cell phone signal. Now that Garmin owns DeLorme I wonder if BaseCamp will integrate with the inReach product line? Anyone have experience or knowledge on this?
Maybe... I have a DeLorme handheld that I use when hiking. The Topo map software it uses is Windows only (a downside for me because after working for 10 years at Apple, I still only use Mac OS X at home), and it's pretty complex (if you think BaseCamp has a poor UI, wait until you see Topo). That said, for topographical mapping, DeLorme has it in spades over Garmin's topographical maps.

InReach is really just a DeLorme PN-xx with the two way texting. In the future it would be possible, but there's a lot of stuff Garmin/DeLorme has to work out first. The maps are vastly different, could it be ported back to older PN devices or will they have to come out with a new generation of PN/InReach devices along with newer Garmin devices?

Honestly, my main fear in the DeLorme/Garmin buyout is that Garmin will kill the PN devices. For hiking they are far superior to the Garmin handhelds, but I guess only time will tell now.
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Old 08-11-2016, 10:29 PM   #72
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A few comments about the Garmin RV 760LMT after using it for a few weeks.

For the most part I find it useful but at times it can be extremely frustrating.

I like the fact that the speed limit and actual speed are displayed on the 760. Other than temporary speed limit changes such as found in construction sites the speed limit is very accurate. The 760 identifies the correct speed limit +\- 100 feet of the speed limit sign posted on the roadway!

It's easy to grow accustomed to the lane guidance the 760 provides. This feature is very helpful but is not infallible. There are times when the 760 does not specify a lane even when the lane is very critical to following the route. I don't understand when it's correct and when it isn't so it's difficult to say this feature "works" when my anecdotal info says it omits key lane assignments 20 - 25% of the time.

The algorithm used to define routes seems odd at best. There are times when it specifies out of the way roads. Times when it clearly follows a path that is not the designated US or State road and its route is unusual to say the least. For instance, routing through neighborhoods when staying on the US or State road makes much more sense to me.

Three times it had taken us on roads that are clearly questionable. Gravel when a perfectly good paved road existed one block over. Once on a road that did not exist and appeared to never exist! Down a gravel road to a county campground when the road to the county campground was two blocks over and paved! I verified the campground location using a smart phone so I can't understand why the 760 took me to the wrong place.

I'll post again in a week or so when I've completed a backcountry trip.
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Old 08-11-2016, 10:43 PM   #73
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Hi, one thing that some of you might not understand about your GPS is the route it takes you through at times. I usually set mine for Shortest Time, not Shortest Distance. You might not know this, but I have tested mine and rarely do you see the reason why you left the freeway to take a smaller street. But the actual reason, that I have verified, is the fact that an accident has happened and your GPS has directed you around it. I have actually seen flashing lights [emergency vehicles] ahead and my GPS took me off of the freeway and back on after the problem on the freeway that was slowing down or stopping traffic.


I have also been on a triangle of streets and my GPS took the longer route. It was a small triangle and you could see all of the streets at once and we were virtually the only vehicle there. Why; I can't answer that one.
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Old 08-12-2016, 04:20 AM   #74
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Sometimes I don't want shortest time OR shortest distance, but some combination of both that is the BEST route as far as traffic and road conditions.
The GPS device is not human and doesn't have a human brain, reasoning, and logic.
We take certain routes because we have lived here 40-something years and know the best way. I wish GPS devices would LEARN the route- memorize the turn by turn we actually do and next trip give us directions that way/based on that.
I understand exactly how they work, but it still frustrates me terribly.
I choose not to use it until I'm absolutely lost. Then it doesn't matter if is not giving me the optimum route because I don't know the optimum route.
Sometimes it does recalculate according to the turns I am actually making.
Sometimes it tells me to make a u-turn or circle the block for 20 minutes before it finally recalculated according to my turns.
Usually the way the GPS device wants to take me is both longer distance AND longer time.
It calculates based solely on distance, not considering stop signs, stop lights, traffic congestion, fuel stops, meals, rest breaks...
I have mostly gone back to a road atlas and a compass and memorizing the turns. If there are too many turns, I will print the directions and learn a few turns each fuel stop or rest stop.
Asking directions from locals is good, too.
Many times I set GP, then do what I want to and ignore it till I become totally lost before I depend on or rely on GPS.


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I like the fact that the speed limit and actual speed are displayed on the 760.
I found this feature very handy when we were in Canada. The metric markings on my speedometer are very difficult to read and switching the GPS over to metric solved that problem.


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Old 08-13-2016, 03:56 AM   #76
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I found this feature very handy when we were in Canada. The metric markings on my speedometer are very difficult to read and switching the GPS over to metric solved that problem.
I took a year long position there back in the late 90's. We brought our US car and that probably was the one thing that was difficult for us, the US numbers were large, but the metric one's not so much so and it was hard to read. Today with the electronic dashes, it is easier to switch over so you know exactly how fast (or slow) you are going in either metric or imperial. However, having the GPS provide this information is definitely handy.

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The GPS device is not human and doesn't have a human brain, reasoning, and logic.
We take certain routes because we have lived here 40-something years and know the best way. I wish GPS devices would LEARN the route- memorize the turn by turn we actually do and next trip give us directions that way/based on that.
Your significant other, sitting next to you reading a paper Atlas, probably wouldn't be able to give you all the turns YOU want.

Why would you need/want a GPS to give you directions on a route you've been traveling for 40 years?

They are assistive devices, people who follow them down one ways the wrong way and into lakes deserve what they get. When a fire alarm goes off, do you run out of the building and stand and wait for the fire department to show up? When a car alarm goes off, do you immediately call the cops to come? If you drive a Tesla, do you just watch it drive you under the tractor trailer??

M.hony this post is not aimed at you, just using your comments as an example, I've heard so many say the same thing.
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Oh no!
She has no sense of direction at all!
I'm totally on my own!
I still have to tell her, "Help me look for Hwy 19."


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Why would you need/want a GPS to give you directions on a route you've been traveling for 40 years?
In addition to giving directions, having an Estimated Time of Arrival (ETA) is very useful, even on a known route. You can let the person know how early/late you may be. Granted, not useful if your known route is significantly different than the one calculated by the GPS but it should still be on an order of magnitude.


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In addition to giving directions, having an Estimated Time of Arrival (ETA) is very useful, even on a known route. You can let the person know how early/late you may be. Granted, not useful if your known route is significantly different than the one calculated by the GPS but it should still be on an order of magnitude.


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Only of course if it makes sense. I find it usually takes longer towing than without. Then there is traffic. The unknown. What good is the GPS if it constantly changes the end time. I can guess that much on the outset as well.

The bottom line is 760 is no better than the cheapest GPS. Nothing works better than your phone if you cell service. Paper maps are still some of the best if you know how to use them and if you have a good map and navigator.
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Followup...

After taking a few trips using the Garmin RV 760LMT I find it's the proverbial love/hate relationship.

When towing I find it's very helpful when the GPS reminds me of an upcoming turn, lane change, etc. It's easy to miss a turn or overlook a lane change on the freeway and having the GPS nearly eliminates that problem.

There are plenty of things to hate... I was driving down the road and the GPS indicated an upcoming "bear left" and I found there was no bear left at all! I continue to be befuddled by the algorithm that identifies which route to take. The other day I was driving on a perfectly good two-lane and four-lane route and the darn GPS continued to tell me to turn left to follow a much smaller two-lane road that was completely parallel to the route I was on!

For now I will continue using the GPS. It does have some advantages over not using a tool like this. As others have said, paper maps, mapping tools on a smart phone and other resources cannot be abandoned completely.

I suspect I will never use all it's features and capability and therefore wish there was a simpler version available. If I had paid less (for a simpler product) I might be more willing to accept what I perceive as flaws.
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Yeah, they'll do that. I've switched algorithms several times and it will do its darnedest to put me on a slower, more difficult road all to "save" a mile.

But my phone does the same. And is not at well set up for a combined rig if any sort.

Best to know the roads in advance. That said, there usually aren't many changes.

The device outweighs disadvantages inherent.
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The love/hate relationship continues with the Garmin RV 760LMT...

Three times it has routed us to some strange/non-existent entrance to a campground. The most recent and most frustrating situation occurred when we were looking for a state park in Mississippi and it was after dark. It routed us to the service entrance (work trucks, tractors, etc.) and the gate was closed and locked. We probably could not have entered at that location regardless of time of day.

So the love/hate is becoming more love/HATE. I find it really frustrating that I can't trust this thing. I guess I'm going to have to learn to use it for the highway when we're traveling mile after monotonous mile and it will remind me of the upcoming exit. At that point I'll have to turn it off and switch to the smart phone and utilize the personal navigator sitting in the passenger seat.

I want a better solution.

Thinking back to a movie with Helen Hunt and Jack Nicholson - maybe this is as good as it gets. If so, that's very discouraging.
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Which state park in Mississippi?
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