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Old 06-09-2019, 12:54 PM   #1
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2019 GM trucks and Wireless Backup Camera

Apparently there is a snafu with 2019 GM trucks interfering with Wireless devices.

We bought a new 2019 Silverado. Now the backup camera monitor for our 2017 27 FB blinks off and on with a consistent regular rhythm.

We just got home from a 16 month trip, towing with a 2015 Silverado, and never had a problem.

Airstream basically told me I'm on my own. Chevy dealership has no idea. Little to no information with a google search.

Yikes!

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Old 06-09-2019, 01:15 PM   #2
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Yes, same issue here. If you want a quick fix instead of waiting for GM to figure something out you can use a relay inside the front corner of the trailer where the 7-wire plug comes in to switch the parking lights via relay to the 12v constant hot... use the parking light line and a resistor to put load on the line to deal with the overly fancy computer thinking the lights are out due to lack of load.

I am personally going to wait a little longer for a software fix or similar which I expect to be coming since they are using a similar system on the 2020 HD trucks as well as the LD models.

Too smart by half... so many issues with this little computer that manages the trailer lights. This past winter it would cause flashing dash screens and errors indicating a trailer was disconnected and connected repeatedly when the temps were below 30F.
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Do you have wifi subscription and turned on in The truck? Is your camera system a 240mhz system?
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I have all of the WiFi/LTE stuff on my truck. Lots of suspicions were gone through over on the GM trucks forum but the root of the issue is a dirty PWM signal on the 12v line to those lights.

These easiest way to check (presuming you do not have a Spectrum Analyzer handy is to simply plug the trailer into another truck and keep the WiFi monitor in the new one next to it. Works just fine.

The FCC would be extremely interested if the new GM trucks were leaking random RF that caused cameras to cut out... I mean just driving down the highway every time one past anyone using a camera it would interfere...
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I am not following your prior post, nor this one. Why would a 12 volt feed to the trailer running lights be PWM?
What you are describing sounds a lot like interference between wifi and an analog wireless camera. Both those items are assigned frequencies around the 240mhz spectrum, and thus interfere with one another. My old camera (and one portable I still use for hitching) are very suseptable to nearby wifi modem/routers.
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Why would there be a dirty cycling 12v feed indeed... perhaps part of the trailer bulb monitoring functions.

More here: https://www.gm-trucks.com/forums/top...camera/?page=3
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From what I’ve been following the problem is with the new 2019 GM trucks with TPMS and a conflict. GM has no fix or plan to fix in the short term.
I think it’s a Bluetooth frequency issue but in the meantime good luck.
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Has anyone with this problem contacted the monitor manufacture to ask if their monitor is "hardened" to radiation at 240MHz? This could be an issue and worth investigating.

Also, have you tried moving the monitor around on your dashboard? If this is a radiation issue, your monitor may be in a "hot-spot" on the dash. It's worth a try to move the monitor around to see if the problem lessens.
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Has anyone with this problem contacted the monitor manufacture to ask if their monitor is "hardened" to radiation at 240MHz? This could be an issue and worth investigating.

Also, have you tried moving the monitor around on your dashboard? If this is a radiation issue, your monitor may be in a "hot-spot" on the dash. It's worth a try to move the monitor around to see if the problem lessens.
Bingo! That's where I was going, but got a bit of an aggressive response, so I dropped it. In my experience, the PWM theory is bunk. It's all about radio frequency.
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I have the same problem and I did move the monitor all over the truck and was not able to avoid the problem. I turned off the Truck WiFi and still the same problem. Here is a summary of the testing I have done to date and response from GM and Voyager.

2019 Airstream Globetrotter 25ft with Voyager model WVOM541AP factory installed

Truck A = 2018 GMC Sierra 2500 SLT
Truck B = 2019 GMC Sierra 1500 Denali

Testing/Results:
1. Connect 7 pin to truck A & plug voyager monitor into truck A = monitor works
2. Connect 7 pin to truck A & plug voyager monitor into truck B = monitor works
3. Connect 7 pin to truck B & plug voyager monitor into truck B = monitor does not work properly (works for 2-3 seconds then buzzes and says no signal for 2-3 seconds, repeatedly back and forth)

Experienced Tech at the GM dealer says it has something to do with the new trailering app on the 2019/LED lights on the trailer/Not enough voltage going to the camera. He says they have an incident logged with GM.

Guy at Voyager said they know about the issue and are working with GM to resolve it. I wasn’t convinced he really understood my problem.
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I have the same problem and I did move the monitor all over the truck and was not able to avoid the problem. I turned off the Truck WiFi and still the same problem. Here is a summary of the testing I have done to date and response from GM and Voyager.

2019 Airstream Globetrotter 25ft with Voyager model WVOM541AP factory installed

Truck A = 2018 GMC Sierra 2500 SLT
Truck B = 2019 GMC Sierra 1500 Denali

Testing/Results:
1. Connect 7 pin to truck A & plug voyager monitor into truck A = monitor works
2. Connect 7 pin to truck A & plug voyager monitor into truck B = monitor works
3. Connect 7 pin to truck B & plug voyager monitor into truck B = monitor does not work properly (works for 2-3 seconds then buzzes and says no signal for 2-3 seconds, repeatedly back and forth)

Experienced Tech at the GM dealer says it has something to do with the new trailering app on the 2019/LED lights on the trailer/Not enough voltage going to the camera. He says they have an incident logged with GM.

Guy at Voyager said they know about the issue and are working with GM to resolve it. I wasn’t convinced he really understood my problem.
Are you able to move the monitor closer to the camera? Perhaps with a portable power supply. I still cannot fathom a reason for the power feed th cause any problem. I still maintain there is a frequency interference problem. Bringing the monitor closer to the camera could tell us a lot.
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Also, to eliminate nearby wifi signals, try your experiment away from any hotspots. I have two systems. The first is a cheap chinesium magnetic camera I use to "deadeye" my stinger into the Haha head. The second is the GM accessory in-dash camera utilizing the OEM hid screen (my truck is a 15, and that option was not available). The hitch system has all sorts of interference issues. The GM accessory will have a momentary freeze or "hitch" when passing, for example" a rural farmhouse with (presumably) wifi. In cities, it is much more frequent. Unfortunately, the FCC has wifi and wireless cameras right on top of one another, frequency wise.
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Are you able to move the monitor closer to the camera? Perhaps with a portable power supply. I still cannot fathom a reason for the power feed th cause any problem. I still maintain there is a frequency interference problem. Bringing the monitor closer to the camera could tell us a lot.
I will do more testing. I think doing a fourth test: Connect 7 pin to truck B & plug voyager monitor into truck A (with Truck A near the camera) would tell us if it's the connection to my truck (2019) and the crazy electronics GM has built into it. Will test this weekend and post back.
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Bingo! That's where I was going, but got a bit of an aggressive response, so I dropped it. In my experience, the PWM theory is bunk. It's all about radio frequency.
Sorry for coming off aggressive. The trailering issues with this piece are pretty frustrating. That said this isn’t the first group of people to work through this. The trailering module is not a simple relay and is not providing consistent power as indicated by the camera manufacturer engineer in the gm truck forum thread I linked. The inconsistent power is pulsed (PWM).

Good luck with the RF theory, with a clean 12v connection the camera works fine... The two truck test above is a pretty clear example without changing wiring. One of the guys on the GM forum went so far as to hold the monitor right next to his camera using an external battery power supply.. Same results.
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