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Old 09-21-2011, 02:43 PM   #71
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Try putting the black tape on your glasses...works every time!

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Old 09-21-2011, 02:47 PM   #72
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Try putting the black tape on your glasses...works every time!

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Or the economy ski mask—the one without eye holes.

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Old 09-21-2011, 02:56 PM   #73
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Or the economy ski mask—the one without eye holes.

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Last resort, let Barb or Sandra drive....they wouldn't see it anyway.

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Old 09-21-2011, 06:01 PM   #74
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Hey Steve. I don't know where you buy your stuff but $40 for a fuel filter ????? I don't pay anywhere near that. I could probably get a case for that. I pay about $6 for a oil filter and probably about the same for the fuel filter. And I use only Baldwin's. Easy change for both too. I have a Dodge and it works well for me. Try doing an oil analysis and I bet you'll find you can extend your oil change interval a lot. That will offset the cost of using synthetics. Don't try and skimp on the fuel filter though. I always carry one with me so if I have a problem I can change it wherever I happen to be. Just in case I get a bad load of fuel. I have nothing against gassers at all but I do love my diesel for towing.
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Old 09-21-2011, 06:05 PM   #75
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Here's one of the places that sell the good fuel filters:
ACDelco TP3012 - ACDelco Fuel Filters - Overview - SummitRacing.com
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Old 12-27-2011, 04:22 AM   #76
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Gasoline = $3.47 per gallon
Diesel fuel= $3.69 per gallon
Diesel fuel addative need to lubricate the injector pump since the EPA mandated ultra low sulphur Diesel= $13.00 per gallon....not required with a gas truck
Diesel oil change=$56 if I do it myself
Gas oil change= $26 if I do it myself, and the miles between change is the same as I use sythetic in both.
Diesel fuel filter= $40...not required with a gas truck.
Diesel truck fuel mileage= 12 towing, 21 empty
Gas truck fuel mileage= 11 towing, 19 empty

Rednax, I sure wish you would tell us where you bought that Diesel calculator...I need one to make my Diesel less expensive.
I noticed on your list you do not have fuel filter on gas, they have fuel filters as well and need to be changed every oil change and possibly once more between as gas has a tendency to have more crud in it as well as a smaller filter and catches more.
The fuel additive cost on new diesels by far comes back in savings on fuel and emissions, so it really is not an added cost in the overall numbers. There is already a bypass kit out so you dont have to buy it if you dont want to.
Also you do not list that diesel lasts twice as long as gas engines do.
Granted your savings are up front on gas, and on the back end for diesel on some of it, but overall savings on an average ownership of 3-7 years will always be better on the diesel.
I am to understand that under the new emissions law that goes into effect in 2012 (thanks Obama) you will be required to have the DP stuff on the new engines, on older diesel by 2013, all engines by 2014.

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Old 12-27-2011, 05:06 AM   #77
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Did anyone read thru all that to see if Rednax even addressed the increased cost of oil changes, and fuel filters?
Steve many of us are still wondering where you get your prices from? Yes diesel oil change is a little more but you are also compairing 6 qts to 1 gallon not a fair compairison, as far as the fuel I have neve paid more than 1/4 of the price you claim. In fact I can only find on the highest cost filters less than 2.00 difference between gas & diesel filters, but again you are refering to a heavier filter for diesel.

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Old 12-27-2011, 05:17 AM   #78
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I was alittle curious also. My 7.3 fuel filter is $25.00 .I cant recall the oil filter,around $12 bucks I think and the air filter about the same. My my engine takes almost 4 Gallon of oil.My engine has 90 k miles its never had any fuel additives. I change oil and filters every 10k miles just like the big trucks out on the highway. I have seen them go a million miles before being torn down.
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Old 12-27-2011, 05:22 AM   #79
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[QUOTE=REDNAX;1046744]This is long, but it may help.

"Million-mile"? Granted that a B50 life -- MTBO, Mean Time Between Overhauls -- Ford or GM is 250k miles, while a Cummins is 360k. This isn't partisanship, but the way the engines were designed. The number of TSB's on Ford/GM diesel engines indicates (not suggests) that this is the case (beyond other references). It may be that a Dodge doesn't ride as well as a GM (acknowledged as best, perhaps) but that does not mean that one cannot go to the aftermarket to improve this. Again, with a lower overall cost, one can afford to make some changes. Without cpm penalty in comparison to other brands is the salient point.

Texas is indicated as being the "home" of diesel powered pickup trucks, that availability, spec, etc, are harder to find elsewhere. This is true. And South Texas is the state epicenter. One does not find GM trucks in commercial service nearly at all (only RV'ers), and Fords (due to their incredibly poor reliability record for nearly ten years) are not often used to "tow heavy". It is Dodge, again, and again, and again that is selected by individual and small fleer owners to tow heavy loads commercially: an 8k-lb empty 40' GN trailer with a 15k-lb load on it is common in oilfield hotshot. A 3-400k-mile truck at 3-5 years of age.

One has the opportunity to ask owners. Some are actually quite conversant with business numbers as regard a vehicle. Many are not. But trucks out-of-service due to unscheduled repairs & maintenance (a business killer) are quickly sold or traded. Dodge is the one to have. This may change as time goes on, but it has been reliable choice for many, many years now.
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Red; I agree with most of what you say right up to where you got on the Dodge band wagon and as usual the numbers are not in par with reality but opposite. Fact is and you can ask any true dodge person the last good truck dodge made was all the way back in the 80's and being a ford man I agree with them as the 89 Dodge Ram was the truck to beat even the military kept the 70's & early 80's ones around as long as they could. Dodge changed their trucks in the 90's and they have not been good since and all your dodge finantics will tell you that. As far as which truck is used more nowadays, drive by constuction companies its fords, look at what is being used on road maintaince Ford, Look at what is being driven by hotshot drivers majority Ford, Look at the stats Ford has had the best truck for 10 years as per JD Powers, truck mags.
But this is a debate that will never end and could be argued until the end of time or vehicles which ever comes first.

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I on the same page as Sarge in an earlier posting. Lets think hybred truck now. How bout a Ford truck, Cummins diesel and the Allison trans. Now I think we would have a bear of a combination that would combine the best of all three. Wish we could get someone to produce these. Make th make the best of what's available and please the commercial mkt and the RV mkt.

I drive a Dodge 3500 and like it. I'm not a real Dodge lover but do enjoy my truck but think we could do better.
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Is anyone using the 2012 Ford F150 Eco Boost? Impressive engine and I am considering it for towing the Airstream International 30'
The Ford specs claim it will be fine; any actual users? What do you think?
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