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Old 09-04-2011, 10:44 PM   #29
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You'll wish you had a diesel truck if you plan to tow your Airstream up to Mesa Verde National Park.
OK, I pulled that many years ago with a 4.3L Astro van with a 5500# SOB. Slow, true, but I wanted to see the scenery anyway. C'mon, it's achievable W/O a big truck.
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Old 09-05-2011, 05:08 AM   #30
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Assuming that we find the 28-31 ft AS we like -- what do you consider as a great (as opposed to it works, but ) tow rig? From my reading so far it looks like gvwr's top out around 8500 lbs for this length trailer. That knocks my 1500 suburban out of consideration. We travel widely and want to be able to tackle the Rockies and secondary road 12% grades with confidence.



I think we might have skeered him away, hope he's still looking.

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Old 09-05-2011, 03:53 PM   #31
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I think what Sarge is referring to as a 125k life is the point at which wear begins to accelerate in a gasser motor that is having to work hard for a living. Yes, it can still work. But not as well as before. The stresses on other components begins a cascade effect as the motor wears down: cooling system, transmission, etc.

High compression conquers hills. American cars haven't had big-engined high-compression motors since 1969. While todays gasser vehicles are better in all ways, still, 8.5 or 9.0 to 1 CR isn't much cylinder pressure. Maybe 140-lbs over time. Contrasted to a diesel at 360-lbs.

The key is to find the motor where brand-new compression readings are present for the longest period of time in an otherwise suitable vehicle (past design flaws).

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I think what Sarge is referring to as a 125k life is the point at which wear begins to accelerate in a gasser motor that is having to work hard for a living. Yes, it can still work. But not as well as before. The stresses on other components begins a cascade effect as the motor wears down: cooling system, transmission, etc.

High compression conquers hills. American cars haven't had big-engined high-compression motors since 1969. While todays gasser vehicles are better in all ways, still, 8.5 or 9.0 to 1 CR isn't much cylinder pressure. Maybe 140-lbs over time. Contrasted to a diesel at 360-lbs.

The key is to find the motor where brand-new compression readings are present for the longest period of time in an otherwise suitable vehicle (past design flaws).

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Red; You are exactly correct on what I was trying to say. You just said it better than I did.
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Old 09-15-2011, 09:43 AM   #33
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Based on these requirements; diesel, 3/4 ton minimum, which in the US currently means a pick-up truck. (Too bad the 3/4 ton Burb doesn't come in deezul flavor!)

I would go 1 ton and pass right by the 3/4 ton market...nothing to be gained by going 3/4 vs 1 ton...

Good luck...this post will get WAY off topic soon!

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But it does!! it is called the Ford Excursion produced from 2000 to 2005 and came with the gas hog V10, diesel 7.3 & 6.0. And believe me for a burb there is nothing out there that beats the Excursion, I know I have had one for the last 2 years and just traded it for a 2011 F250 with the 6.7 diesel engine, and if Ford still produced the Excursion I would have bought another one. If anyone is wanting an Excursion it is at the ford dealer in Greeneville TN for a resonable price.

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This is good to read. I've been wondering the same thing. I'm thinking that, for the two of us, a standard cab 1-ton pickup with a diesel in it would be great.

Those of you who are actually towing with diesels, what fuel consumption rates are you seeing, both with and without the trailer?
On my excursion 6.0 18-19.5 mpg @ 65mph, towing 34 AS WB 12-13.5 mpg. On my 2011 F250 6.7 19-21.5 Mpg @ 65 mph, Towing 11-14.9 mpg @ 60 mph- but the truck is still new and only had less than 100 miles on it when I bought it 3 weeks ago and is steadly improving as I put more miles on it.

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Old 09-15-2011, 09:58 AM   #35
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That's why Ford offers the GVWR 10,000 lbs option (zero cost of course) on their F-350's...
You might want to look at the Ford website, Ford offers that + now on thier F150's which with the eco-boost engine/6.0 engine at 11,000 lbs. F250's in mid 20's now, F350's almost 30,000
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Tarheel, 3/4 ton for sure, especially if you going to crowd the 30' range. But, unless you are going to spend A LOT of time in the rockies, skip the diesel thing. It doesn't pencil financially, and is completely unnecessary east of the rockies and gas is fine for any occasional trip west to the big hills. If you plan to move to Colorado....get a diesel. Just my professionally based opinion. I'm sure I'll hear about this comment, but I always tell the truth as I know it to be.
You dont have to be in the rockies to find hills/moutains,,, if you travel in the south you are going to run across many grades between 4 & 7%, if you travel in PA, Upstate NY, you are also going to find grades 4-7%. And I could set here and name most of them off. Infact Cincinatti actually has a mountain grade of 5.8%.
So when you say that you wont need a diesel unless you go out west is not accurate, if you are going to travel outside Mich, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, you are going to run into some pretty serious grades and will want that diesel.

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You dont have to be in the rockies to find hills/moutains,,, if you travel in the south you are going to run across many grades between 4 & 7%, if you travel in PA, Upstate NY, you are also going to find grades 4-7%. And I could set here and name most of them off. Infact Cincinatti actually has a mountain grade of 5.8%.
So when you say that you wont need a diesel unless you go out west is not accurate, if you are going to travel outside Mich, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, you are going to run into some pretty serious grades and will want that diesel.

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7% and even steeper grades are no problem for a gas engine truck, assuming it has a large enough engine and a suitable rearend gear ratio for the job. Just gear down and let it eat...that's what it's designed to do.

The real problem comes with steep grades AND high altitude (8,000ft and above), which simply does not occur in the East.

When we are towing, I just LOVE my Diesel truck. However, I don't love it when I'm buying fuel for it, paying for an oil change for it, or buying and changing the fuel filter in it. All things that are considerably more costly than with a gas truck.
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When we are towing, I just LOVE my Diesel truck. However, I don't love it when I'm buying fuel for it, paying for an oil change for it, or buying and changing the fuel filter in it. All things that are considerably more costly than with a gas truck.

Mine has been considerably cheaper than the half-ton gasser it replaced. In all respects, but most especially fuel. When something does wear out it will be more expensive. But at 8-yrs and 180k-miles the cost has been under $400 total for unscheduled repairs. And with brakes/tires/shocks lasting in excess of 120k-miles, the "higher cost" is offset by double or triple the lifespan making the per mile cost much lower. As with 15k-mile factory oil changes. Etc.

This experience with the Dodge CTD is not uncommon by any means.

I think you bought the wrong spec, brand and year of diesel truck.

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I think you bought the wrong spec, brand and year of diesel truck.

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Gasoline = $3.47 per gallon
Diesel fuel= $3.69 per gallon
Diesel fuel addative need to lubricate the injector pump since the EPA mandated ultra low sulphur Diesel= $13.00 per gallon....not required with a gas truck
Diesel oil change=$56 if I do it myself
Gas oil change= $26 if I do it myself, and the miles between change is the same as I use sythetic in both.
Diesel fuel filter= $40...not required with a gas truck.
Diesel truck fuel mileage= 12 towing, 21 empty
Gas truck fuel mileage= 11 towing, 19 empty

Rednax, I sure wish you would tell us where you bought that Diesel calculator...I need one to make my Diesel less expensive.
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Rednax, I sure wish you would tell us where you bought that Diesel calculator...I need one to make my Diesel less expensive.
Red just happens to have one of the best years (04) for the Dodge/Cummins combination with the other year being 03. These two years had a particular camshaft that was known to give great power and be very efficient. In 2005 the camshaft changed for emissions reasons and so went the efficiency. I know of another person with the same era truck as Rednax and he can make similar claims on mileage. He has 2003 2wd truck and 25+ mpg on the highway is a common occurance running solo. The truck is in stock form.
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Those fuel mileages may be true, but it does nothing for the added cost of the fuel itself, oil change costs, fuel filter costs, and fuel addative costs.

The other thing is, I am not going to buy an eight year old truck with a million miles on it, with no creature comforts, just to get a few percentage points better fuel mileage.

Then, I've heard it said, "there's two things men will lie about...fuel mileage and sex".
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Then, I've heard it said, "there's two things men will lie about...fuel mileage and sex".
Well I get good Mileage anyway....

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