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Old 04-25-2012, 05:21 PM   #15
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I have lived in mine full time since September. I read the forum everyday, posting occasionally. But maybe you don't mean me? I've been bound to this spot/region because my aging mother needs more help than she once did. Is the definition of a full timer someone who lives and travels? As it is, I enjoy living in my Airstream, and both long for and dread the day when I am free to travel and change the view from my door...
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Old 04-25-2012, 05:23 PM   #16
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Airforums suffers a pattern seen on other RV related websites.

1) People who have never spent a night in an RV show up and ask all kinds of questions about fulltiming.

2) Forum members respond graciously, providing information and gentle hints that maybe it might be a good idea to go on a couple of trips first

3) Wannabe fulltimer disappears from the forum never to be heard from again.

I wonder where they've all gone.

I wonder whether any of them appreciate the carefully crafted posts, information, and suggestions.

I wonder if any of them made it past six weeks.

It wonders me.
I've often wondered that as well, and the "I'm gonna jump right in and do a full-monty" posts, which a lot of the times end up in an unfinished gutted trailer on Craigslist. You know, I imagine life happens...you just never know.

I know a person that my wife is friends with on another forum who was so inspired by what we are doing, that they decided to do the same thing....they already had an SOB so it wasn't that they needed help in the trailer part. The husband already worked remotely from home, the wife was a stay at home mom, so it seemed to be the perfect scenario -- except that even though he got approval to do so with his boss, his peers in the office found out, became very jealous, and they weren't able to do it.

I would imagine that there are many, many examples of this sort of thing, as it really is a big jump for a lot of people (the tight quarters, the lack of "stuff", the careful consideration of EVERYTHING that you bring along, etc) -- dreaming and thinking is one thing....acting and doing is completely different
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Old 04-25-2012, 05:42 PM   #17
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I came here and asked some questions both about airstream and fulltiming and disappeared for a while. During that time, we bought and airstream and starting fulltiming! We've been doing so for a little over six months now. (Actually, more like 8-9 months if I count the time we were living in the AS near our stick home while we packed up and got all of our stuff in order). Didn't have many questions after we moved in — just started living! (and by the way, we had never owned a trailer before deciding to buy an airstream and fulltime in it, and we have no regrets.) I haven't had a whole lot of time to spend here since (though I'm starting to again)— I still work full time, and am spending the rest of the time exploring all the new places we travel to!

I don't think you can ever answer questions on an internet forum with the expectation that you'll get any sort of assumed acknowledgment or thanks for your answers, or that everyone you interact with will become long-term contributors. You just have to answer questions because you want to.
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Old 04-25-2012, 05:49 PM   #18
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Let the beatings begin

Folks are not going to like this but..... I think most of them are still here, but don't want to deal with the "talking down" that they get. I full timed for 8 months and I still read the forums but rarely post. After being told "that is covered in post's XYZ, and you should really search the threads before asking", or just the bashing that goes on. I still read the posts, but felt it wasn't worth the dissing. I have spent the last week reading 12 pages of the towing and hitches forum and came away still as unsure/confused about the topic as I was when I started reading, but disappointed in the tone of some of the posters.

When you full time, you are starting an adventure, you want to talk about it, you want to learn, you want to be reassured that you aren't about to do something incredibly stupid! Allot of posters do that, but there are ones that just make you say "why bother".

Don't get me wrong, I can deal with criticism, I am married after all!

Just my 2 cents
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Old 04-25-2012, 05:52 PM   #19
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Folks are not going to like this but..... I think most of them are still here, but don't want to deal with the "talking down" that they get. I full timed for 8 months and I still read the forums but rarely post. After being told "that is covered in post's XYZ, and you should really search the threads before asking", or just the bashing that goes on. I still read the posts, but felt it wasn't worth the dissing. I have spent the last week reading 12 pages of the towing and hitches forum and came away still as unsure/confused about the topic as I was when I started reading, but disappointed in the tone of some of the posters.

When you full time, you are starting an adventure, you want to talk about it, you want to learn, you want to be reassured that you aren't about to do something incredibly stupid! Allot of posters do that, but there are ones that just make you say "why bother".

Don't get me wrong, I can deal with criticism, I am married after all!

Just my 2 cents
I can agree with that as well -- we got a lot of that when my wife started talking about it...we've got 2 kids AND 2 dogs (one of which is a great dane)...we are the minority of the minority. But, I like to share our story because, as you've said, there are a lot of naysayers here, and what works for you, or me might not work for other people. You just have to filter out the noise, and you can usually still find good information and good people here.
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Old 04-25-2012, 06:12 PM   #20
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Yes, I have to say that the bulk of conversations here just aren't really relevant to me. I'm not a restorer, and I'll take my airstream to the shop when there's trouble. I feel like a lot of threads go on forever into incredible, not necessarily helpful, minutia, because there are a lot of members who seem to be more interested in displaying the depths of their knowledge, and one-upping the last guy that did so, than actual practical help. I have had some really useful help here for things like small plumbing and electrical issues, and it's thanks to these forums that we got our great ProPride hitch, but I won't even try to ready any of the threads *about* ProPride or many other subjects here, as it was much easier for me to find the relevant info I needed elsewhere, without so much "stuff" around it. If I had tried to get that knowledge from here, it honestly would have paralyzed me. At this point, except for the little fix-its or random questions, what keeps me here now at all are really the "lifestyle"-oriented threads. I appreciate the input of everyone, but I've also gotten by fine by disregarding a whole heck of a lot of advice from here! What I do continue to appreciate is the friendliness, willingness to help, and shared love of Airstreams.
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exthemius; sent you a PM. 2 kids and 2 dogs must be a blast in the airstream!

KerriO; I agree. I am laughing at the propride comment! I felt the same way. The most helpfull posts were those pointing to other RV forums about it!!
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Old 04-25-2012, 07:33 PM   #22
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Airforums suffers a pattern seen on other RV related websites.

1) People who have never spent a night in an RV show up and ask all kinds of questions about fulltiming.

2) Forum members respond graciously, providing information and gentle hints that maybe it might be a good idea to go on a couple of trips first

3) Wannabe fulltimer disappears from the forum never to be heard from again.

I wonder where they've all gone.

I wonder whether any of them appreciate the carefully crafted posts, information, and suggestions.

I wonder if any of them made it past six weeks.

It wonders me.
It makes sense actually that they often seem to disappear....

  • Before acquiring an Airstream they take the time to research and ask questions. If they actually get a trailer and full time I figure they are having way more fun that those of us waiting for the weekend or next trip and simply don't have time to post.
  • If they decide against an Airstream and move on to another brand then there's no reason to continue to login here.
  • If they do choose an Airstream and after 6 weeks give up, it's also likely they would not return to post about that experience. After all why would you login to post "I tried it, but crashed and burned. Airstreaming is not for me" ??
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Old 04-25-2012, 07:46 PM   #23
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A welcoming, inclusive community

Had it not been for the classifieds here, we surely would not have found the perfect AS for us even though we will probably never be fulltimers. And once we got our AS, after 6 months searching the classifieds and pouncing on "our" AS 4 hours after it was posted . . . have found many very good answers here. Everything from the doh! kind of questions . . . why is my refrigerator fan still running without any power source..... to how do i tighten the galley sink fixture... I got the right answer to that one within 16 minutes.

But what has kept me here and I think keeps many here is the vast majority of folks here who are patient with all types of questions, who truly care about people they only know through posts here until they are fortunate enough to meet at a Forums "rally".

Do some folks go on and on with their "knowledge?" Do we beat the Goodyear Marathon issue to death and beyond? Perhaps.

On the other hand, there are some folks on here who have great stories, both AS and non AS related who are courteous and friendly and give this a true sense of community. Yes, I'm pointing a neighborly finger in your direction, CrawfordGene. lol

So perhaps some of the would-be full-timers find it's not their cup of tea, can't afford it, etc, etc, but what better place to come and get information from folks who are actually full-timing in the home on wheels of their choice?

So if a wannabe pops up and asks some questions . . . if you feel so inclined to opine.... have at it. The beauty of the computer, smartphone, tablet is that just like that opiate of the masses that continues to hang on in millions of homes in our world . . . the maligned and/or praised television set.... there is an on/off switch... so anyone who doesn't want to be bothered with wannabes doesn't have to be.

And that . . . is all I have to say about that! lol
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Sometimes I think the human interaction is worth as much as the end result. It's nice to ask a question and have folks answer. And it's nice to be able to offer help and suggestions.

Not to say that it's perfect or that we all behave. And some selectivity always helps. But a strong and supportive forum community is a real asset.

That said, I wonder if they are out there full-timing too, but more from hoping that they are happy with whatever decision they made.

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Old 04-26-2012, 07:00 AM   #25
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Giving advice can be a double edged sword. The garment industry asserts "One size fits all" but it just isn't true.

I spent most of my life cutting my own path - but somehow when it came to going fulltime in an Airstream as a single woman - I kinda flaked out... self doubt didn't creep in, it really bulldozed me. So I made one of those "what do you think" posts - and within 2 months had my first Airstream.

I'm still happily fulltiming 7 years later.

HOWEVER, I'm not going to shine on anyone about how GREAT fulltiming is bound to be. It's not all roses and lollipops for everyone. I don't want to encourage anyone to spend $100,000 and then be miserable ...and impoverished ... and stuck, due to lack of money to change again. In spite of my satisfaction with the life - my advice will always be "test it out" before you spend the big bucks."

I notice I am once again in need of a major "yard sale" - my trailer is starting to get cluttered with stuff that I need to throw out, sell or give away. This seems to be happening a little more frequently than in the past. Am I getting tired of fulltiming? Or just not as focused as I used to be?

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Old 04-26-2012, 08:13 AM   #26
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I think everybody has gotten caught up with unbridled enthusiasm about something they are absolutely clueless about at some point in their lives (whether it be restoring a rusty 1966 Mustang that is really beyone hope, eyeing up a run-down character home "as an investment" or going on a solo sailing trip around the world)...

Dreams keep us looking for more, provide mental excitement and promote optimism.

So... those that ask questions? Keep asking, and hopefully you continue to get the respectful answers that will help you to decide whether to jump in with both feet and never look back or to give your head a shake, smile and find a different dream to pursue!
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Old 04-26-2012, 09:06 AM   #27
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To KerriO's point about the minutiae which often crop up deep into a long thread about fixing/replacing/adjusting/upgrading some part of new or old Airstreams on the Forums: I have to admit that it's true, sometimes posts get VERY detailed, but I love it. When it's not a topic I'm currently interested in, I just skim, but when it's something I have to do soon (or am in the process of figuring out how to do) I love having very detailed descriptions so that I have a good idea of what I'm likely to find.

Then again, I'm the sort of person who would WRITE that sort of post on a topic I'm familiar with, so it may be a self-selection issue.
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A pattern that is obvious in the type post referenced by the OP is that little to zero reading has been done prior to posting on "Wants to Fulltime". Not a phenomenon restricted to AIR but evident on all vehicle related forums (and probably others). What constitutes "fulltiming" is over an enormous range of possibilities. One might argue definitions, but it is truly idiosyncratic: trailer + people + extended nights aboard per year (is about it). We others can't define what that might mean for the one asking without some rudimentary help.

The expectation by the newly-disappeared, too often I surmise, is that others will do the thinking for them as those responding have actually done the reading and have somehow become the equivalent of retail store clerks. Are obliged, somehow. We all recognize the flush of enthusiasm and wish to be of help . . but most questions have answers that are technical.

Then there is the resentment at having to sort through information and being unable to distinguish it from knowledge, thus being unable to formulate their own questions that an adequate answer can be made. Information on hitches isn't complicated, it's formulaic. Resistance to something as simple as list-making and information-gathering is revealing. Do it right, or do it half-assed . . the only difference is in some small efforts. Confusion arises as those who resent having to read never become clear in themselves that this (hitch rigging as example) is evolving as a matter of group conscience. Here and other RV forums where consensus hasn't dulled into complacency are several handfuls of people who are taking apart old assumptions. But that is generally separate from the How To of hitch rigging. Even in the same thread.

We live in an era where the tools of thinking exist -- at best -- at the sixth grade level (this includes college graduates). One would have hoped, however, that the courtesy of a reply is dependent on something worth replying unto. The burden is not on those who reply. How this simple, mannerly way of dealing with others has been lost mystifies me.

If the investigation involves some effort -- shifting from feelings to thnking -- well, we don't live in a society which any longer places a high value thereon. The examination (as has been noted above) may not survive the transition from one state to another. As to why, one can range widely in speculation.

The help is on offer. That hasn't changed, and won't. If one wants happy talk stop by the nearest RV dealership. Be prepared to spend more and receive less. And so forth, ad infinitum.

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