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Old 06-29-2007, 10:26 PM   #113
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Old 06-30-2007, 02:31 PM   #114
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The Great Condensor Fan Debacle, Part 2

As I promised yesterday, I have a few photos of my attempt to repair the condensor fan motor.
To recap, last weekend while camping, the fan siezed in the middle of the night, resulting in an a/c system shutdown about 3 in the morning. We learned that 98 degrees and 98% humidity are not conducive to fun camping, so I set off on a quest to either repair the unit, or replace it with a new one.
Events behind the scenes have deteriorated financially to the point that I am considering starting my own "will work for food" franchise, so a serious attempt is being made to repair the old unit. I quickly found out that noe one seems to have one of the needed 1/6 hp ccw rotation 2 speed motors that are outdoor rated, so I decided to take the old motor apart and perform a failure analysis on it. It turned out after much cursing and gnashing of teeth that a fiber spacer had disintegrated, causing the motor to stop turning. I found an aluminum washer to use in place of the fiber washer, hopefully it will work. I also had to come up with new bolts to hold the motor together, the old ones had all snapped in half when I took it apart. New bolts were unavailable, so my choice of last resort was a stick of allthread in the proper diameter. Seems a lot of this repair is choices of last resort... I broke out a hacksaw and some wrenches, and reassembled the motor in the little workshop where we live. There is no way to safely test the motor there, so I guess I'll have to reinstall it to test it, an almost surefire way to ensure it won't work.
Our Honda generator is out on loan to our brother in law for use at a tent where he is selling fireworks, which means I now have to borrow a generator for my use. I managed to come up with an 8,000 watt generator (I hope it will be big enough) to use, and loaded it into the back of the truck.
When I got to the storage lot where Bertha is stored, I got out the ladder, set up the generator, and ran an extension cord and fan to the roof of Bertha. I learned fast I don't want to be up there in the sun with no fan.
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Old 06-30-2007, 02:37 PM   #115
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Moving right along...

I moved everything up the ladder, onto the roof. I have a large knee cushion for when I have to crawl on my hands and knees under cars, and used the pad to keep from roasting my tush on the hot aluminum roof. After I got up there, I installed some longer wires to the motor, the original wires were really too short to get back into the hole where the motor belongs. After almost an hour, I got the motor installed back where it came from, and verified it would still spin freely. It did. So far, so good. I gathered up the tools and parts, and dragged them off the roof. It looks good, I hope it will work.
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Old 06-30-2007, 02:40 PM   #116
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But does it work?

I climbed down off the roof, went to the generator, hooked up the 30 amp line for Bertha, and went in and turned on the air conditioner. The compressor groaned, rattled.....
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Old 06-30-2007, 02:45 PM   #117
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...And rumbled to life.
The cheap little digital camera I have is not as cheap as I thought it was, it almost stopped the motion of the condensor fan, but be assured, it is turning about 3,000 rpm.
I ran the unit for over an hour, and the air conditioner cooled the coach in that time from 97 to 90. I would call my desparate repair a tentative success. We'll find out more next time we go camping. I also plan to install some kind of wire mesh over the fan. Not having anything there may have contributed to the initial failure. I also noted we will have to replace the ceiling vents and fans at some point. But the a/c runs!
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Old 07-01-2007, 08:08 PM   #118
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Cat on a hot tin roof.

Lookin' good, boss. It is amazing that you have the agility to scoot around on that roof like that. Nice (and cheap) job on the a/c. I have an a/c question. As you saw in my pics I have a window unit ac. It is a Hotpoint and only pulls 7.5 amps but it doesn't cool well. I cant afford a new or used roof a/c right now but I want a new one before our 8 day trip to Lake Lanier at the end of this month. I am considering a new window unit. As far as the one thats in there, there are no signs of unusual wear and tear and it doesn't seem to be a weight problem on the forward wall. I also read somewhere (my thread I think) that the 63's didn't have the reinforced roof for a roof mount. I can get a 6000btu at Lowes or Home Depot for about $140. That should be plenty cool and will probably weigh about the same as the one thats in there now. I hope I can find a half in/half out model like the one that I have now. If not I may have to brace it on the tongue somehow.

I was wondering if you may have two cents to put in on this idea.

Remember...a penny for your thoughts, but you have to put your two cents in...so someones making a penny.

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Old 07-01-2007, 09:22 PM   #119
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Rusty, in the thread on Goliath, you can obviously see there is a roof a/c unit there. It was installed in the center vent hole, nearly covering the original 120 volt ceiling light switch. The switch was relocated to a position near the entry door (maybe katkat can snap a photo of its location for you), and the air conditioner was installed there. The a/c was wired into the 120 volt wiring for the lights. I replaced the a/c unit when we originally got the trailer, and had no problem with the roof. Again, maybe katkat can snap some photos of the a/c unit being replaced when they get a chance to do so.
Now, one reason why your window mounted air conditioner is not cooling the trailer, is probably because it can't. You are considering installing a 6,000 btu unit to try to do the job of a 13,500btu unit, plus not mounting it in a central location, plus not mounting in in the ceiling where it will cool most efficiently (hot air rises, cool air decends). I don't want to keep shuffling the evidence off on katkat, but they have already stated that the 13,500 btu unit they have will barely keep the trailer tolerable, much less comfortable.
If you still want to go with a window unit to preserve the roofline, you should look at a minimum of 10,000, and preferably more, btu. When you start talking about that size, you are also talking about an air conditioner that will cost about the same as a roof mounted RV unit. A 15,000btu Carrier (very good unit) is currently being offered on our favorite online auction site, with a buy it now price of $499, plus about $80 shipping.
Soo, you might want to use a couple of fans parked on the floor, and wait another month, and save your pennies to get the best a/c setup you can for your trailer. You can also get a heat strip for that unit at the time you buy the a/c, for about $50, and it includes shipping with the a/c. This will also reduce the criticality (is that a word?) of your furnace not working. Being in the land of Peaches, you probably won't need much more than that most of the time anyway.
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Old 07-02-2007, 08:24 PM   #120
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A/C thanks.

Thanks for the two cents. I was thinking that maybe you had some reinforcements on the roof of goliath. I may just bite the bullet and go ahead and get the roof mounted one. We're saving some money anyway by going camping instead of to the beach. I do have some other good news...when I bought bigeasy the po threw in a small electric fridge. He said he had never tried the original and didn't know if it worked or not. I blew all the components out today with an air hose and lit the gas on the old dometic. After about 6 hours it was cold! The freezer was freezing too . I was happy. I also ran a new ground to the battery and solved the 12 volt problem. (Thanks to your advise with the test light).

Until my next question...,
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Old 07-03-2007, 07:20 AM   #121
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Thanks for the two cents. I was thinking that maybe you had some reinforcements on the roof of goliath.
Until my next question...,
I have seen blocks of wood used to reinforce the roof, as new air conditioners mount by sandwiching the two halves against the roof by clamping. Inland RV has a section dedicated to installing a unit on an Airstream, it would be worth your while to check it out.
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Old 07-03-2007, 08:48 AM   #122
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the fridge was about 3 inches shorter than the original, and we had to install shims under the base of the new fridge.
Not to relive the past, but what model fridge did you get? I am on the edge of replacing the old Dometic 100 with a 2820 and would hope it's a direct replacement.
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Not to relive the past, but what model fridge did you get? I am on the edge of replacing the old Dometic 100 with a 2820 and would hope it's a direct replacement.
It was a Dometic 2625 Americana fridge, we got it From Jones RV Refrigeration in Illinois. It was a refurb unit, $700 plus shipping.
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Old 07-07-2007, 07:59 PM   #124
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(bat)winging it

Yesterday I started prepping the interior for the new Winegard Batwing tv antenna. I removed the center panel to the bedroom divider , and pulled the new 75 ohm cable through the walls to where the outlets are to be. I had to drill out many rivets, and remove the lower part of the air conditioner. After completing the prep work, I buttoned up Bertha for the night.
This afternoon our kid (30 something) showed up to assist with an unspecified project. We got out the ladder, and he went on the roof and started removing the stump of the old antenna. What looked to be about half a gallon of silicone later, he finally got down to the antenna mount. Drilling out the rivets holding the antenna base to the trailer, he was finally able to remove the part. We then made the unpleasant discovery that the silicone was the only thing holding the antenna in place, corrosion had wiped out the roof in that area.
Luckily I had a piece of aluminum sheet that I cut out to cover the now very large hole in the roof (did I mention it started raining part way through this adventure?). My assistant drilled and riveted the new skin in place, and vulkemed the seams and rivets. I then drilled a series of holes where the antenna control protrudes through the roof, and smoothed the hole out with a Dremel tool fitted with a burr. My assistant then returned to the roof, drilling and screwing the new antenna base to the replacement skin, and more Vulkem on the seams and screws. He installed the batwing part of the antenna, and we discovered it rather firmly rests against the air conditioner shroud. He turned the old skyliner mount over so the batwing would not ride on the shroud. It still touches the shroud, I'll have to figure out how to keep it away from the shroud.
We then adjourned to the interior, where he helped hold up the center panel while I reset the panel in its tracks, and re-riveted the panel to the overhead bows. I then turned on the air conditioner so we could work in some semblance of being cool. It was at this point I discovered one of the drain hoses has started to leak. On my head. Sigh... The center panel is back up, and I will work on trimming the antenna control shaft to size, and repair the air conditioner drain hose. That a/c is trying to tell me something, I only hope it waits until we can afford a new one before it tells me goodbye.
Here are some photos showing the work in progress, and the interior part of the corrosion issue. I was not allowed on the roof to take any pictures, maybe I can get them tomorrow while I am finishing up.
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Old 07-07-2007, 08:49 PM   #125
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Oops, I intended on posting a thread that may have helped. My unit has had the original intenna replaced with a batwing (monument to the flying nun as we call it) and the cable run into the front outlet via the refrig vent. The original flat conductor was still run to the rear outlet and didn't work. I added a coax to flat adaptor at each end and got cable to the rear without rewiring.
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boy, that looks familiar.

wish you'd told me you were gonna do this; I'd have warned you about how much longer the bat wing is vs. the old skyliner.

Here's what I had to do:


of course, yours is longer, and undoubtedly has more space between the vents, etc...but still, the point is, the batwing is longer than it looks.

you can also see the patch I had to put over the original hole. lots of corrosion there, too, which I sraped down w/ a wire wheel. bad idea, having those dissimilar metals in contact like that. Seems to me there was something about the batwing to prevent that in the future, but I can't remember exactly what it was. maybe I was just thinking "I won't live long enough for this to be a problem for ME"...which is probably what they were thinking when they installed the skyliner in 1970-x.
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