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Old 10-07-2008, 03:01 PM   #813
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I'll box up the few remaining grasshoppers around here. Too bad I didn't know earlier—there were gazillions a month ago. Oh, and the paper wasps—I think they are the same as mud daubers—more every year for the last several years. Look for them in the mail.

All sorts of things are moving north as the climate changes. I'm waiting for three toed sloths and army ants as well as dengue fever.

I hope you two, whoops, three, are settling in. I know it'll take a while to really feel at home, but you do appear resilient.

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Old 10-07-2008, 06:37 PM   #814
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If you think the ants are bad out there...wait til you see the uncles!!!
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Old 10-07-2008, 07:28 PM   #815
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Thanks, guys (and girls). I think we've found a replacement for the mosquitoes here--ants.
Terry, I can sympathize about the Ants. Where I'm staying in Pasadena they seem to have infested the walls of the cheap apartment (cheap at $1225/month!) where I'm staying right now. For some reason the seem to like the bathroom faucet. If it sits for several hours without being used when I turned the faucet on out pours about a dozen ants. Its kinda fun watching them swirl around and get sucked down the drain . Some of the hardier ones try and escape but I make sure they don't........

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Old 10-07-2008, 10:22 PM   #816
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Thanks to everyone for your offers to send ants, uncles, mosquitoes, and grasshoppers, but you can keep them.

I realy like the area we are in. Florida is flatter than a flounder on friday, but the area we are in in Corona is on the side of a mountain and we are surrounded by them and desert. It was 102 today, but the humidity was 11%. Better than a temp of 88 and humdity of 98%.

It was hot, but you didn't sweat to death. Sorry, just an observation.

I can get from Inland to the grocery store, laundry mat and back. Today I learned even more about the area. Garmen and mapquest are the best ways to get around.

Thanks for all of your kind thoughts, and words, the trip was adventureous, but we made it.

Sophie was very good on the trip, and she has Andy wrapped around her little paw, (along with everyone else who works and here), and gets along very well with the 4 legged crew.

So if you get out here, stop by and see us.

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Old 10-07-2008, 10:29 PM   #817
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Marie,

I am glad that you, Terry and Sophia made it to So Cal, with only a few challenges. I hope you enjoy So Cal, just wait until winter when the snow covers the mountains to the north. Absolutely beautiful.

It will cool down this weekend, but Corona is always warmer than Orange.

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Old 10-07-2008, 10:33 PM   #818
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Marie,

I am glad that you, Terry and Sophia made it to So Cal, with only a few challenges. I hope you enjoy So Cal, just wait until winter when the snow covers the mountains to the north. Absolutely beautiful.

It will cool down this weekend, but Corona is always warmer than Orange.

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Thanks, Bill. I'd rather have a cold Corona than a warm Orange, though...
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Old 10-08-2008, 08:53 PM   #819
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Things I've noticed so far...

There are a few things I've seen, and that have made an impression on me, for one reason or another...
1- The local eating establishments need to hire better dishwashers. Nearly every place we've eaten at, I've had to request a clean glass, dish, silverware, or something to replace a dirty item. This is even at what I'd consider "good" restaurants.

2-The humidity is much lower here than in Florida. 101 degrees with 11% humidity doesn't feel as hot as 85, and 90+% humidity.

3- The seats in the truck still get just as hot here as they did in Florida . Asphalt seems hotter when lying on it in the sun.

4- When driving down the street, and you see a sign stating "caution: 11% grade" ahead, it would be a good idea to at least take your foot off the gas. That wasn't thunder y'all heard last night, that was the sonic boom from us going downhill...

5- There don't seem to be as many residents of New England states or Eastern Canadian provinces driving around here. I can't imagine why.

6- The pace of life seems faster here, but most everyone is friendlier, even if more in a hurry.

7- The local industrial gas place has some funny ideas about what ingredients comprise LP gas.
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Old 10-08-2008, 10:01 PM   #820
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There are a few things I've seen, and that have made an impression on me, for one reason or another...

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4- When driving down the street, and you see a sign stating "caution: 11% grade" ahead, it would be a good idea to at least take your foot off the gas. That wasn't thunder y'all heard last night, that was the sonic boom from us going downhill...

5- There don't seem to be as many residents of New England states or Eastern Canadian provinces driving around here. I can't imagine why.

6- The pace of life seems faster here, but most everyone is friendlier, even if more in a hurry.

7- The local industrial gas place has some funny ideas about what ingredients comprise LP gas.

Terry,

You will soon learn that we have mountains in this state, the highest and lowest point in the continental US is in California.

We are somewhat laid back, especially when you leave the large city center ie, LA and SF.

Could you clarify the last item, please.

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Old 10-08-2008, 10:41 PM   #821
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Terry,

You will soon learn that we have mountains in this state, the highest and lowest point in the continental US is in California.

We are somewhat laid back, especially when you leave the large city center ie, LA and SF.

Could you clarify the last item, please.

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I was with Terry, when we were told that LP gas is different than Propane.

Tomorrow, we will strive to find out if that indeed is a fact.

They filled a bottle for our fork lift, but refused to fill the bottle from his trailer.

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Old 10-08-2008, 10:52 PM   #822
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I was with Terry, when we were told that LP gas is different than Propane.

Tomorrow, we will strive to find out if that indeed is a fact.

They filled a bottle for our fork lift, but refused to fill the bottle from his trailer.

Andy
Interesting, I assume that this was at a propane distributor such as Amerigas, Mutual or Suburban and not the local gas station.

You might direct them to the LP Gas magazine, published by the United States Propane Industry.

Regardless, I am sure that the two of you will get to the bottom of this issue.

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Old 10-09-2008, 12:21 AM   #823
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I was with Terry, when we were told that LP gas is different than Propane.

Tomorrow, we will strive to find out if that indeed is a fact.

They filled a bottle for our fork lift, but refused to fill the bottle from his trailer.

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I had to Google that one to see - Wikipedia.
Check out the second paragraph.

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Propane is a three-carbon alkane, normally a gas, but compressible to a liquid that is transportable. It is derived from other petroleum products during oil or natural gas processing. It is commonly used as a fuel for engines, barbecues, and home heating systems.
When used as vehicle fuel, it is commonly known as liquified petroleum gas (LPG or LP-gas), which can be a mixture of propane along with small amounts of propylene, butane, and butylene. The odorant ethanethiol is also added so that people can easily smell the gas in case of a leak.
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Commercially-available "propane" fuel, or LPG, is not pure. Typically in the USA and Canada, it is primarily propane (at least 90%), with the rest mostly butane and propylene (5% maximum), plus odorants. This is the HD-5 standard, (Heavy Duty-5%maximum allowable propylene content) written for internal combustion engines. LPG, when cracked from methane (natural gas), does not contain propylene. LPG, when refined from crude oil does contain propylene. Not all products labelled "propane" conform to this standard. In Mexico, for example, the butane content is much higher.
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Varieties of LPG bought and sold include mixes that are primarily propane, mixes that are primarily butane, and the more common, mixes including both propane (60%) and butane (40%)
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Old 10-09-2008, 09:13 AM   #824
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The tank the industrial gas place filled for the forklift was labeled "Propane", while the one for the trailer was labeled "LP".
Interestingly, out in the yard here, there is an old LP tank, labeled "Propane" and LP gas" on the same label, with the same UN code. There are many places here that will happily fill our tank, we just know that next time we won't try to save a trip, and get both forklift and trailer tanks filled at the industrial gas place.
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Old 10-09-2008, 11:57 AM   #825
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The LP questions reminds me that I did see something about LP or LPG being different. Thanks for the definitions which don't entirely clarify it unfortunately. I thought LP(G) meant liquid petroleum (gas)—and that could mean many things and maybe was intended to.

I suppose the most important question—does it make a difference? I am sure if you are confused with all your experience, others are confused including RV campgrounds and may have the wrong gas. Would non-100% propane cause problems with the propane appliances lighting and affect efficiency?

At the last place we filled our tanks, the guy who filled them went through a more detailed procedure than I'd seen before and told me it was required in Colorado. This was the 3rd time for a fill in Colorado and no one else went through his protocol. I didn't particularly understand what he was doing, just that he did more. He did loosen a screw on the top until gas came out, then tightened it. I don't know why he did that.

I will confirm the western sun heats up asphalt. It heats up the ground too—our driveway is gravel and dirt and can get painfully hot when on your back or just putting your hand on it in summer, and even now with temps in the 60's and 70's. Having spent a lot of time in Florida when my parents were alive, I'll take California any day. A good move for you guys.

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Old 10-09-2008, 01:05 PM   #826
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Closing this Tread?

I'm assuming that the three of you will be in the market for "brick & mortar" soon - especially with a rusted frame rail.

Are you ready for California Sticker Shock? And don't forget that an Airstream might survive "the big one" better than a house. Then of course there are the mudslides and wildfires.

So what does the future hold? Is it time to close this thread or shall we wait a month or so until you find a house?

On the other hand, look in the classifieds, there's a way cool 34' listed right now. Something to out-behemouth the behemouth... Let Sophie negotiate the deal. I'm sure she's well on her way to owning Inland already.

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