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Old 11-29-2011, 06:51 PM   #57
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Bless you, Fadder. How's weather out in Crawford? Denver's okay so long as the sun is out and then it's COLD.

Yeah, I'm getting terminally confused with the solar thing.
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Old 11-29-2011, 06:57 PM   #58
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We use the Flush King. It makes backflushing easier and works well. If you are squeamish about bodily fluids and solids, the sewer solution may be better for you.
P.S. I'm not, especially. The one that takes up the least amount of space wins.
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Old 11-29-2011, 08:34 PM   #59
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Crawford weather: Cool, then cold, then cool…. Not much precipitation and lots of sun. Tomorrow will be a good day to cut up a big, old piñon tree the beetles got.

Flush King doesn't take much space, but the sewer hoses do.

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Old 11-29-2011, 08:38 PM   #60
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It seems like they all do, really, but if I can avoid handling the stinky slinky, that'd be a plus. Do I really need two 25' hoses to deal with it?
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Crawford weather: Cool, then cold, then cool…. Not much precipitation and lots of sun. Tomorrow will be a good day to cut up a big, old piñon tree the beetles got.

Flush King doesn't take much space, but the sewer hoses do.

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Old 11-29-2011, 08:48 PM   #62
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I lived in London for a while, Bob - on the worst, longest nights, the sun would come up at about 12 noon, light the overcast sky to about medium gray, then go down at about 4. *sigh*
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Old 11-29-2011, 08:50 PM   #63
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We heat most things with fire, and light up things with electricity.
We do heat up already cooked things in the microwave, either with shore power or generator when off grid.

We do, on occasion, use our electric toaster oven. Also, our espresso maker is electric.

Two propane tanks, using an automatic change-over regulator, we have never run out of propane.

Seems to work out very well.

Don't make yourself crazy. It's a travel trailer.
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Old 11-29-2011, 09:06 PM   #64
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Good advice, but it'll also be home when we're in the States -- so I figure a little bit of crazy now will mean less crazy later. I hope.
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We have two coffee makers -- when we have hookups, we use our vintage Presto percolator. It makes great coffee in about 10 minutes. We bought our used on eBay for about $20. Here is a link on Amazon for a new one -- fits in nice with the Airstream:

Amazon.com: Presto 02811 12-Cup Stainless Steel Coffeemaker: Kitchen & Dining

When we don't have power, we use an old fashioned enamel coffee pot that we put on the stove.
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Oh, yeah. All this mid-century stuff! Pretty cool, all right.
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Old 11-29-2011, 11:54 PM   #67
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All right, one MORE question for you smart people.

My sister is giving the Bambino, as she insists on calling it, a thermal cooker. Yippeee! I'm so excited! But here's the thing - when you use a thermal cooker, you have to make sure that everything in the inside pot is at boiling temp. So it may have to boil for 10-20 minutes or so, depending on the thickness of whatever's in it. Does it make sense to use the propane for that even when I'm plugged in, or is it worth the expense to get one of those portable induction thingies for when I've got electricity? I don't know how much propane it takes to simmer something for 20 minutes!

Anyway, if it makes sense to buy the induction thingy, let me know, I want to buy it while it's on sale. (It's five pounds, too, so it has to be worth it...)
I've been fulltiming since early 2006 and use only propane to cook and to heat water. My rig has two 30lb tanks and I only have to refill them about every 4 months except when it's too cold for the heat pump to work and I must run the furnace. The furnace can suck 2 tanks dry in a week if it's cold enough - other than that - the stove and water heater use amazingly little propane. I had an electric skillet, didn't fit well in any of the cabinets. So I donated it to the lunch room at the job. Had an electric percolater and a French Press that took less space in the overhead cabinet. Gave the percolater away. Propane is faster than electricity and dirt cheap for cooking. I even use a stove top camp toaster. An electric toaster is one appliance I would get if I wanted toast every day. A good portable induction heater may cost $200 (or 4 refills on a 30 lb. propane tank). And if the surface is ceramic, it can break. Then there's $25 for a coffee maker, and and and... Every electric appliance weigh quite a bit and take a lot of your very limited space. Towing the extra weight might conceivably add more to your fuel cost than it saves in propane. Your ROI for electric appliances? Years.

Don't forget about outdoor cooking & boondocking. How much space will you allocate for grills, etc? My indoor stovetop teapot, skillets, dutch oven and pan all work on the volcano cooker I recently bought. (Charcoal or propane). Electric appliances don't have that versatality.


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Remember, less is more when it comes to camping.

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Old 11-30-2011, 12:27 AM   #68
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Fabulous, thanks, Paula! Less is more is definitely my mantra right now!

Since I pick the thing up in Ontario, Canada and am towing it back to Colorado in January/February, I figured I wouldn't worry about a grill or anything for outdoor cooking just now. (I figure I have enough to figure out between now and picking the thing up...)
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IMHO you are really overthinking this thing. Get something, see if it works for you and if it does great, if not get something else. We have spent a lot of our last year boondocking, and we had no trouble with propane. We only turn on the water heater just before taking a shower, or doing dishes. We got wet ones to clean our hands during the day - ie, no water. For the most part we do a lot of BBQ for meals, but we do have some meals in the oven. Breakfast is always oatmeal on the stove, with an occasional eggs and sausage or bacon. Cooked on the stovetop. Turn the generator on for toast, but if we are too close to people, we just have a bagel. Did take a electric burner recently to cook outside, but we do have generators to run those. We generally dont run our heater too much. When boondocking we use the trailer heater and we turn it off at night. In the morning hubby jumps up turns the heat up, jumps back into bed with all our wonderful comfortors until the heat is up. If we do have hookups we have a electric portable heater we use. We have a fire
jumper that we carry an extra propane bottle for. The extra bottle also services our Weber Q100. *Plan on adding a propane stove this next season, so I can cook some outside. (Reminds me of when we used to tent camp - our life before the AS. ) Intend on using the 3rd tank for the stove. To date we have never even come close to running out of propane, trips are usually 5-8 days. A bigger concern for me was water. We now have a pump to get water into our tank, and with watching what we are doing it is not a concern for me anymore. I'm sure that you will find after taking a trip or two you will find things you have in that will be out. And things you thought you would never need a really valuable item.
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IMHO you are really overthinking this thing.
That's okay, you're allowed. I don't think so, and that's okay too! I'm not going to be taking 5-8 day trips, I'll be taking, well, the entire time I'm in the States, up to six months at a time, and I'm not sure what my cash flow will be like. So over-thinking or researching carefully, it's all good.
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