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Old 04-16-2007, 12:02 PM   #1
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Permanent Set-up

My mother, 84 years young, unbelievably capable and independent, has purchased a beautiful 34' AS in which she intends to setup permanent housekeeping. She says her house is too big and hard to keep for her current needs. It has fallen to me to accomplish the installation.

I don't see the electrical, propane or water hookups as being too problematic. The drainline plumbing, however, may be more of an issue. That is, how to prevent solids from collecting in the black tank if both valves (black & grey) are left open. The first question then is; Is the bulk dump of the 1/2+ filled black tank followed by dumping the grey tank actually required to keep the black tank from accumulating solids? If this is in fact required, is there an acceptable workaround for a permanent installation?

Lastly, what problems may I have not yet considered? Your ideas and suggestions will be sincerely appreciated.
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Old 04-16-2007, 12:05 PM   #2
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Is the bulk dump of the 1/2+ filled black tank followed by dumping the grey tank actually required to keep the black tank from accumulating solids?
Exactly! I don't know of any other solution other than waiting for the black tank to fill up and then only dumping at that time. After the black is dumped, I like to leave the black valve open while I dump the gray. This enables some of the gray water to slosh up into the black tank too. Dumping the gray second also has the benefit of giving your hose a free rinsing on the inside.
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Old 04-16-2007, 12:21 PM   #3
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hi gerald...

seriously?

this would be my choice for 'permanent poo plumbing'...

the black tank should only be emptied when full and even then accumulation may be an issue....

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f444...ank-31189.html

even leaving the wash water open full time, really really long term is an issue.

food waste, grease, and other undigested solids WILL accumulate along the way...

as travel trailers these things get agitated and rinsed and enzyme'd and so on....

while the sinks/shower do have traps for odors,

things can still rise in the system too...

are you gonna build a local septic system?

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Old 04-16-2007, 12:43 PM   #4
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Gerald -

Unless mom wants to run GALLONS of water with pressure (a garden hose)down the toilet after each use (and that still isn't the best idea), I'd HIGHLY recommend letting the black tank fill before dumping. I'd also recommend the same treatment for the grey tank. And don't forget to use the black tank cleaning spray built into the AS - you hook a garden hose to the attachment on the outside of the trailer and a jet of water rotates around the inside of the plack tank to help remove solids.

Is she going to be in a campground/trailerpark? She could arrange with them to dimp her tanks on a regular schedule if she doesn't want to do it.
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Old 04-16-2007, 12:43 PM   #5
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Thanks for the reply, 1Air'. Yes, she'll be hooked up to a septic system. Like your attached picture. We've been there too.
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For true long-term parking by not drop black tank and bypass it? A few rivets for the belly skin, loosen vent clamp and remove toilet flange, and disconnect the level sensors and it should nearly drop free once 4 bolts are removed from pan supports... The plumb toilet as normally, though a backflow preventer to block any fuu gass could be valuable. All parts get cleaned and saved to normalize it hopefully a long time from now...
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well that's another story...

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Old 04-18-2007, 09:48 AM   #9
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Thanks & Apologies

Really appreciate everyone's input. Not the best news or what I'd hoped for, but exactly what I expected. Looks like we're in for a periodic dump routine and keeping our fingers crossed. At least Mom's already accustomed to dealing with septic systems and the paper issues. Wish us luck.

My apologies to 2Air. Didn't mean to demote you.

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