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Old 08-18-2008, 01:24 PM   #57
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After conversing in depth with the girl selling the 34 Excella, and explaining how so many people were warning me about her and her husband being some scam artist, she offered me this:
Caroline,

I think you grossly misunderstood what folks were telling you. No one made specific accusations about this couple. I sure hope you clarify with EllieZ that no one here on the forum questioned their legitimacy. It wasn't until a few folks did some digging that we even had any idea who the sellers are.

It's a good idea to go lock at the trailer if you are able. Sounds like you would be best to take a trip down there and do the deal in person.

Good Luck! ... and stay dry
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Caroline,

I don't remember anyone specifically warning you about THESE sellers in particular - just the general idea of buying used online from an unknown seller, with zero sales record, and an industrial zone for an item location, with pictures used in other auctions.... There have been alot of well documented eBay scams that some of the members of this forums have detected and brought to the attention of eBay. When a new member comes along and requests assistance from the AirForums on buying a trailer from Craigslist or eBay we are generally careful to mention these scams and point you to the threads on that subject.

I have read from your two or three threads about your desire to buy a trailer and the responses to your request. Nowhere have I seen anyone claim that THESE specific individuals are scammers, or that this deal is bad - just offers of precaution. Sounds like the sellers want to make the best of your interest. Bigger traliers are sometimes harder to move, so when a buyer comes along they want to hold on to them. It is an auction, I do not remember a reserve - sounds like a good oppertunity for all involved.


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The emails, the PM's- I gave the seller the info of one person who had something to say and her husband called him. The member wrote me back with a new attitude for the people- said they were "without hesitation good to do business with". I'm sure talking with them would change anyones mind- whatever the jealousy is. He's gotten raves from the references I called- the owner of the Antique Trailer Museum in Auburn California called him a genius and straight as they come.

His wife's an angel- absolutely- for whatever reason you folks here don't like either one- I'd certainly like to know. Posts were made that she was kicked off, why? I've seen some pretty aggressive posting here- one member called me 'pica which is my last name- why? Is that nice? Cute? I think its pretty harsh. You should respect people, especially a woman trying to find out some info- I don't care how many rivets or posts you have here.

The girls husband has a big collection- I'm sure he knows something...

Seriously, how much trouble can they give me with no money being sent upfront? Sounds like they're straight.
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I JUST noticed where you live. Girl, there's a great "Airstream Only" campground in NJ. Check it out under "Reviews". I've only visited three Airstream parks, but guess what, two had units with "for sale" signs on them.

You might find the perfect A/S pretty much in your own back yard.

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We care about each other. Real friendships develop here and we do eventually "See You Down The Road". I read your other thread, and I'm sure you're a person of good sense - heck you joined this forum didn't you?

The only thing I can add is that old tried and true thing "If it seems too good to be true, it probably IS." The sellers seem a bit too eager. Normally you get 10-15 bidders on ebay. Why are they so interested in YOU getting this unit? Them paying for your trip? Now that's just WAY too generous. They don't know YOU. If I were selling I'd worry that you'd write a bum check, or that you might be bi-polar and on an "up" fugue, or that you're just looking for a week in Florida for free.

Of course with the economy the way it is, a lot of sellers are getting very eager... but that eager? Think about it. You're own remark "maybe they'll kidnap me" is damn close to what did happen to one member of this forum.... robbed at gunpoint doing just what you're planning.

What I'd do if I wanted the 34 you're looking at? OK, go read some posts from Overlander63. Terry has more postings than anyone else on the forums. You'll never find anyone who'll say a bad word about him. I'd pay him generously to inspect it... First, just to act like he's interested in it (he won't be, he's still working on "Bertha") and have him ask to come by and see it because he's "in the neighborhood". If the sellers don't want him to see it first hand, that smell is "RAT".

If he sees it and tells you it's a good deal, then it is - as long as there is a clear title and it's in the seller's name. And that you can check ahead with Florida's DMV.

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They said that any buyer would be offered the same, and that the offer was if the tech uncovered something that they hadn't disclosed. They never offered me to come on their dime, it was IF there was anything wrong, I'd not lose a penny on my trip.

I don't think its desperate, I think its just to re-assure me, but after speaking with the references, I think there are few people who know these better than her husband. The museum owner isn't a member here either- so that tells me that the forum membership isn't a prerequisite for trailer knowledge.

Thank you again, Paula, I appreciate the assistance. Caroline
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I JUST noticed where you live. Girl, there's a great "Airstream Only" campground in NJ. Check it out under "Reviews". I've only visited three Airstream parks, but guess what, two had units with "for sale" signs on them.

You might find the perfect A/S pretty much in your own back yard.

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I'd love that- to find one in my area- I just started looking and have had the interest for a LONG time, and just got the means to afford the financial and chronological demands of using it the way I want.

I'm not set on this one, but the size and layout are about what I think I could actually live comfortably in.

Thank you again. Caroline
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the livability answer is yes. there are different layouts that work best for different folks. you have 2 couches, ours has one. i like all the windows you have, but in Florida, that might make it hotter inside. full awnings will help with that. will you like it, time will tell. that's why some folks have a few trailers, lol.

as for a pricing, go to New Car Prices, Used Car Values, New Car Reviews and Car Buying at NADA Guides and work the numbers. i won't say they're exact, but a ball park. i was shocked to find out a new refrigerator or A/C can cost $1500 each! axles can be needed but look fine, and cost almost as much, per axle.

i have family on the job too. none say that they could never be scammed. nobody knows what your family have researched or their field of expertise. there are new twists every day. even smart people can get taken.

we're in miami only for the winter. ingrid has wintered in florida for over 25 years. first in her '67 with her husband and then in her brand new '94 after a hurricane wrinkled her '67 with a tree.

i'm an aficionado by association with ingrid. two winters/8 months has me now willingly captured in aluminum! thanks for the offer, maybe i'll run into them. i currently stay with a helpful bunch similar to those here.

the only other think i'll mention is to inspect the title before you take the trailer for inspection. a few deals have been killed by DMV red tape.

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Why are all these people warning you about this couple in particular? Do all these people know something you don't?

However, I do believe if someone confronted me with a warning from other people that I was a scam artist and I wasn't, I'd either hang up the phone or tell you what to do with the advise you'd been given. But I don't think I'd be offering to pay your expenses to come examine the trailer after you were obligated to buy it.
This post was moved from another thread by moderators that is now closed.

You seem to have done your "due diligence" on the sellers and are comfortable with them. That is what is important. Condition of the trailer is difficult to determine from photos, but if you are comfortable with the description and from conversations with the seller then that is what is important.

Many people live in Airstreams smaller than 34'. Paula lives in her Airstream full time and could give you some tips on space organization and how to optimize the spaces that you have. She even makes space for crafts in hers. So yes, you can live in this trailer. With the "lounge" layout in the salon area you could live and entertain quite comfortably.

Price is very subjective. Two years ago the smaller trailers were like gold they were so in demand. The longer trailers above 30' have always sold for less per linear foot because they were not so suited for camping as they are for full timing. NADA says a 1983 Excella has a range of $5-6,000. Obviously, that is way too low for this, or probably any 1983 that isn't a junker. That just goes to show that you can't go by price guides.

If you are bidding, put your top $$ amount in and you win with the top auction price under that amount or loose the auction. If you are going to buy locally, do as has been suggested and ask the seller how much she will take for it locally exclusive of the auction. She has a reserve and that would be the least she will take either in the auction or from a local buyer. That might be you. As much as you and she have talked, you two have established a rapport and she might be willing to tell you her "buy it now" price and make both of you happy. I'd say, if you are comfortable with the condition of the trailer and the sincerity of the seller, go for it.
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The emails, the PM's- I gave the seller the info of one person who had something to say and her husband called him. The member wrote me back with a new attitude for the people- said they were "without hesitation good to do business with". I'm sure talking with them would change anyones mind- whatever the jealousy is. He's gotten raves from the references I called- the owner of the Antique Trailer Museum in Auburn California called him a genius and straight as they come.

His wife's an angel- absolutely- for whatever reason you folks here don't like either one- I'd certainly like to know. Posts were made that she was kicked off, why? I've seen some pretty aggressive posting here- one member called me 'pica which is my last name- why? Is that nice? Cute? I think its pretty harsh. You should respect people, especially a woman trying to find out some info- I don't care how many rivets or posts you have here.

The girls husband has a big collection- I'm sure he knows something...

Seriously, how much trouble can they give me with no money being sent upfront? Sounds like they're straight.
Caroline--

I just wanted to chime in here and say that in reading through the multiple threads, I see a lot of misunderstanding. That's natural and quite common on Internet message boards, because humans normally gain a very large percentage of their understanding in any conversation from NON-verbal cues. Tone of voice, facial expressions, body laungage-- these things all contribute to the final "communication" that occurs between one human and another, and these things are all missing from computer message boards. That's one reason all of these things were invented, though many people don't like using them: . These originated to fill in the gap that non-verbal communication normally bridges in regular human conversation.

So I'd like to point out a couple of things that you are free to read or ignore as you see fit .

1) The original warnings on this thread had nothing to do with the seller, they were just about some warning signs that seemed to pop up about this general type of deal. The people on this forum have a wide range of knowledge, not just about Airstreams, but about electronic sales thereof, and they've seen a lot of scams and know many of the warning signs. The people who mentioned that this might be a scam really are just trying to help you, because that's what the majority of people on this forum like to do.

2) There dfinitely CAN be some aggressive posters on this Forum. Not everybody around here is nice. But I don't think any references to "Pica" were meant to be insulting or derogatory-- it's a VERY common mesage board practice to shorten a moniker when typing. Sometimes it shows familiarity, sometimes it shows affection, sometimes it shows respect, and sometimes it's just because the person typing wants to save a few keystrokes. There are probably dozens of posts per day on this Forum that you could take offense to, but I don't think ones with that particular abbreviation are meant to be insulting.

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. And that's a very fair statement. Only a fraction of all Airstream owners, former owners, and wannabe owners post on this site, so it follows logically that there are likely thousands of people out there with great Airstream knowledge who do not post on this site. At the same time, this is the single largest repository of online Airstream wisdom on the planet, and although not everyone knows what they're talking about, a whole lot of people do. Using that collected intelligence is a wise thing and can really help you if you choose to listen.

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... I've seen some pretty aggressive posting here- one member called me 'pica which is my last name- why?...
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the reference was intended as humor only...

if the silly side didn't come through the keyboard, well that happens.

i would have never assumed u were using your real and full name on a board like this...

not many do, and often regret it later. it's a lot like buying site unseen or via ebay or any other cyber thing.

understand what u are getting into, protect yourself and it's ok to trust others but verify everything you can think of...

and generally don't use your real name and phone contact info in a forum...

because it's the things you don't think of that can bite later.

many of the forum titles are creative con-coctions based on something NOT related to a real name,

honestly i thought u might be a typesetter/printer/graphic artist from the carolinas....

or a bird lover.
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so lets summarize...

-the trailer appears to be almost perfect, based on 77 pictures, and with better construction than newer units...

-one half of the seller team is a genius and master of all things 'stream while also being a highly regarded collector...

-the other half is an absolute angle, who purchased this unit with her OWN money (how else do you do it)...

-it's an auction, but they are willing to give you iron clan assurances and so on, that aren't part of the written auction process.

-you are totally scam proof because of family members in law enforcement.

-very clearly u only want feedback of PRICE and LIVABILITY, because everything else is covered.

-oh, and this is a first time rv/trailer/mobile home/living in a tin can i can tow it, event.

so is that close as a summary?
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almost NOTHING in the replies offered so far, are about this specific seller...

seldom are posts (mine) directed toward just one person, certainly none in this thread are.

you trust the sellers which is fine, no one has suggested they aren't trustworthy (and she is still a member here)

so why not just ask them 'what's a fair price?' and 'can i live in this thing?' given your evaluation of them...

the answers SHOULD be bankable ...

asking those questions here just opens a can of information worms that doesn't appear 2b wanted.

folks here have been generous enough to READ your notes and WRITE replies...

and as is typical, the members continue to do so, while trying to soften or re-explain what's already been posted.

NONE of us (that i'm aware of) have ANY vested interest in your purchase.

it's NOT a competition and NOONE is trying to win a debate, while many are just trying to HELP U, perhaps where u don't want help...

and in our own flawed ways.
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buying this unit is the EASY part of the entire adventure.

after the purchase the challenges begin....

-the buyer doesn't have a tow vehicle, but relatives will handle that.
-the buyer isn't sure IF it's adequate for living needs (and hasn't clued us into those needs)
-the buyer might park it in jersey and florida, but where and at what cost aren't know.
-the buyer is a first time rv'er, and gives no clues as to capability to deal with rv systems, repairs and so on...
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i wish u the absolute best in this adventure.
IF u are planning to LIVE FULL TIME in a stream, there is a lot to learn.
IF u think living in a stream is somehow less expensive than many stick house deals, think again.
IF u haven't visited some rv parks, u might wanna take a drive and get a feel for what's ahead...
IF u think living in a 30x7.5 space is easy or simple, close off JUST that space in one room of a house and try it.

whoops, these things have nothing to do with price and it's just a lecture anyway....
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IF u really just want feedback on livability(is it big enough) and pricing...

a LOT more info is needed for meaningful answers.

folks would need to know a lot more about your living habits, stash, cash and vision...

here are some useless links for ya, consider looking at the FULL list of questions ipso' asked in 50+ threads....

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f368...eed-31784.html

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f314...life-7374.html

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f48/...ads-22729.html

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f48/...ads-16425.html

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f36/...-rot-7704.html

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f314...lace-7081.html

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f48/...ions-7044.html

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f142...ody-14493.html

again, BUYING IT is the easy part.

cheers
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I'm a novice with all this, but I know what I read.

Someone posted some things about ex-members, maybe that post is gone. Several were deleted and threads merged. I also received off board contact from members, warning me- thats not here, but I do have a list of what was said in my brain, and its not important- I've satisfied my questions about the people. Phone calls and contact off a message board are a bit more insightful.

Most people wouldn't say I was thin skinned, but if I've appeared that way, I guess its my own fault, so I apologize.

We'll see if the Excella makes it through the hurricane. Wish me luck. I really like the layout in that and haven't seen photos of another with that sofa set up. Caroline.
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merging the threads was a good idea, it should happen more,

when someone posts a series of questions ALL related to one unit, especially a ebay deal.

is posts were removed that's a question for the mod squad.

vendor disputes aren't permitted and IF posts included attacks of some sort, they might vanish too...

we all want to assume the best, but assumptions can be dangerous.

most folks get pretty hyped about grabbing their first stream...

it is exciting.

we like to believe the unit we are buying is some how special, a one of a kind or was once owned by philo t. farnsworth...

someone once stopped my to LOOK at my trailer...

she had been following me for miles telling her family about the unique hand planed exotic rainforest flooring that came in ALL 'stream...

rather than argue or explain the history of 'stream flooring, i just confessed...

"sorry to disapoint you, but mine was special ordered with vinyl sheet flooring"...

to which she replied, "well then THIS UNIT is really special, it will be a collectors model someday"...

a smiled, as she and her family who'd been honking at me for miles drove away as happy as could be ...

i sure liked her view of the future.

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... she had been following me for miles telling her family about the unique hand planed exotic rainforest flooring that came in ALL 'stream...

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I am delighted however to finally know the provenance of the original flooring in our trailer. I didn't know that burnt orange shag was a variety rainforest moss.... good to know.
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Isn't he the guy that invented the television?
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As usual, 2air has pointed out the obvious that everyone has overlooked. Many live in 34 footers and smaller units. Whether you can depends on you not us.

Price is a matter of what it is worth to you and the seller. Ask what she'll take and if it is worth it to you. That is the beginning of negotiation.

I think that covers it. Pretty obvious but not covered in five pages of post.
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