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Old 11-07-2014, 08:14 AM   #61
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Eagle and Bear, thanks so much for the info. Is there a US Government website that the BLM and Federal Forest maps are posted on?

I'm hoping we don't run into anyone that results in a confrontation, that would make it difficult to sleep that night, I would think.

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Old 11-07-2014, 09:49 AM   #62
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Old 11-08-2014, 05:47 AM   #63
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Thanks everyone for sharing your $$$ experiences while full timing. I'm reading full timers should plan closer to $3000 a month ($100 a day) to comfortably go full time. The expenses I'm interested in are those surrounded by the Airstream. Some maintain their homes and take extended outings, say for over a year. Some sell everything and "full time" meaning no street address anymore.

I think $3000 a month is a reasonable budget for full timing. Some are shocked it is that much, and some spend more. But those of us who dream of the RV lifestyle and enjoy the adventures of traveling on the road need to go into it with the realization it ain't free.

It would be tough to full time on a social security stipend only.

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Old 11-08-2014, 06:43 AM   #64
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We go for seven to eight weeks at a time and my wife keeps the "books", impeccable records of every penny spent. While we continue to have a large home with all the accompanying taxes, maintenance etc she also breaks down our trip expenses per expenditure.

Overall as an average we spend about $3,881.00 per month while traveling. This is for full hook up campgrounds only. We went and did things we wanted to do, did not eat out much. We only used about 40# of propane the entire trip, which included the Refridge while traveling as well as heat on eight nights. I would think we could do a similar trip, while keeping a tight rein on expenses for about $3,000.00. The $3,800 includes our payments for satellite as well as Medicare Advantage. Fortunately no medical expenses but does include a $180.00 visit to the vets for our puppy who contracted kennel cough.

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Old 11-08-2014, 06:47 AM   #65
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We tend to overestimate how much we'll spend. It's never as expensive as we planned.
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Old 11-08-2014, 08:19 AM   #66
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What is BLM camping ?
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Old 11-08-2014, 08:24 AM   #67
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Hmm...
Maybe Bureau of Land Management-
I really don't know-
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Old 11-08-2014, 08:25 AM   #68
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BLM stands for Bureau of Land Management. Most of the land is out west. Quite a bit of it is accessible to those of us who want to dry camp for free , away from Wal-Marts and truck stops.
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Old 11-08-2014, 08:25 AM   #69
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Like Jeff Busby campground on the Natchez Trace in Choctaw County Mississippi- free-
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Old 11-08-2014, 08:44 AM   #73
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BLM stands for Bureau of Land Management. Most of the land is out west. Quite a bit of it is accessible to those of us who want to dry camp for free , away from Wal-Marts and truck stops.
I believe you can pull off onto a forest/logging road on any of the federal lands, too, for free and without a problem. I think this is what moosetags does.

The really busy national parks prohibit camping anywhere but established campgrounds in season, but off season it is okay. We have never done this, but have known others who do.


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Old 11-08-2014, 02:14 PM   #74
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BLM, NF requires you be a certain distant off the roadway. I forget the number. Probably like 100 yards. Someone can look it up easily enough.
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Old 11-09-2014, 06:11 AM   #75
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1-23. Thirty States have been created out of the public domain. In those where the public land surveys have been substantially completed, excepting Oklahoma, the original records have been transferred to the States. In most cases duplicate copies are on file in Washington, D.C. The Director of the Bureau of Land Management has administrative authority in questions relating to the remaining public land in those States, including resurvey and the extension of surveys to include parcels of public land omitted from the official surveys.

Each state may have a little different rules. Most of the time you are on the honor system to follow them. We have never seen a ranger except near Crested Butte, CO where they also have housing issues for the locals. Many parks when full will give you a BLM map for the overflow, if that style of camping suits you.
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Old 11-09-2014, 07:28 AM   #76
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Government land can reduce campground rental fees for sure. I found this essay by Gnorts in Jammer's 5 year thread. I thought is was applicable here.

" We're talking about leisure here. Expendable income, "frivolously" spent.

As a lifetime boater, I know: There's no good reason to buy a boat. And yet, as soon as the economy starts to pick up, folks are always ready to throw their money away on a boat. Or an Airstream. Because they can. Because they want to.

Buying the AS and the Tundra took a sizable chunk out of our retirement funds, but how much would we have spent on a cabin on the Oregon Coast, or in the San Juan Islands? More, just for the down payment! And then, we'd be stuck going to the same place time after time, working on the place, paying property taxes, blah blah. Are we saving money by towing our house behind our humongous truck? I actually have no idea. Who cares?

And how much we spend a day when we travel is just so variable. When I was motorcycle touring, I'd spend $25 a day on fuel, and $100 a night for a motel. A friend would spend $100 a day on fuel and $25 a night to park her RV.

I started towing a sailboat with a '65 Chevy van right after college, and spent a couple of years towing a '71 18ft Caravel about 25K miles - once around the planet - when I sold my business back in the 90's. So I'm no newcomer to the realities of towing. It's all new to my wife, and she's lovin' it! We depart for the SW in early February and will live in our 27FB until late April, then home to watch the garden come to life, then off again in June for the WBCCI rally in Farmington, NM - full timing again for about a month - then home briefly, then off on our boat in the San Juans for about a month or six weeks of living aboard. That takes us through Labor Day. We're already starting to plan for 2016! We'll probably head for the SW a month earlier then.

We're retired. We worked hard and lived beneath our means and built our savings. Now we can afford to do what we want, and we're doin' it! "

I think that fits Airstreaming pretty well. We do it because it's enjoyable. It's expensive, but it's darn enjoyable.

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Even though this is an older post I am adding in my expenses for those that want to get more information. I lived in TX for 13 months full time in my AS with 2 small kids on weekend (divorce). This is the budget that I had for that time frame. Cable, internet and electricity was included in the rent from the park but I have it listed out separately just for reference. This is parked in place and no travel so if you travel your gas cost will be double or triple of what I have listed. Also there is no trailer or car payment listed as both are paid for.

Bill Amount
Rent -425
Propane -35
Electricity -120
HS Internet -70
Cell Phone -115
Car Ins -110
Home Ins -65
Food -400
MAD $ -400
Gas -150
Medications -30
Home Maintenance -150
Clothes -150
Haircut -40
Gifts -50
Entertainment -200
Car Maintenance -100
Pet Meds/Vet -30
Medical -280

Total -2920

Hope this helps with those that are planning on going full-time. Once my kids are out of the house in 10 years I will be moving back in full time to work and play on the road. I will have a base camp in TX but I will be in CO for the summer/fall and TX in the winter/spring. I plan on building a simple barn-dominium out in the country with hookups. This will increase my costs slightly but no more so than renting a spot in an RV park.
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Thx. I see a lot of similarity with my own situation.
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I've noticed a trend….but it's a normal natural thing

Often times, people defend, rationalize, or even fool themselves into reinforcing their lifestyles or the decisions they make.

I KNOW that I could live cheaper in an RV, than in the place I live now. A modest house with $11000 per year property tax.

But I also think that I could live cheaper than what it costs to live in an RV
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All depends on your comfort level. We live really comfortably in the Airstream.
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