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Old 11-07-2019, 08:44 PM   #1
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Figuring out the residency thing

Ok, hoping you fine folks can give me some advice.

Here's the situation:
  • The wife and I are going to shortly become full-timers
  • We currently reside in Colorado
  • We're selling our home here (closes Dec 13) and heading from here to spend the holidays in North Carolina with family, and staying there until we get our AS
  • We will be taking one vehicle with us to NC and then trading it for a truck when the 2020 Rams are available (most likely January)
  • I'll be timing the purchase of our Airstream to coincide with the delivery of the truck
  • We've chosen Texas as our new permanent address, for all the normal reasons, and because we both lived large portions of our life there
  • We'll be using my wife's sister's address near Houston instead of getting a mail forwarding service
  • We'll be flying to Texas for the week of Thanksgiving to visit family

So on to the question:

What's the best way/order for getting things established? I figured it would be convenient to get our DLs while we're in Texas for Thanksgiving, but apparently they require you to show that your vehicle has already been registered in Texas. I certainly don't want to register my car in Texas for just a couple months as they're going to charge me the difference between the 2.9% sales tax I paid in CO and Texas' 6.25%. I do plan on registering the new truck and trailer in Texas at time of purchase (the purchase will take place on the east coast). I'd also like to get the residency stuff done before end of year to simplify the following year's income taxes (and of course to avoid paying any extra to Colorado, since they do charge income tax).

Thanks for any advice!
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Old 11-08-2019, 01:12 AM   #2
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I don’t KNOW anything about texas but it seems unlikely they require you to have a car in order to get a driver’s license. Not sure why you couldn’t leave your car registered in CO until that tag expires.

Otherwise, it also seems strange to 2020 trucks aren’t out yet because you could just sell your car in CO before you go and buy the truck before your trailer. Or, rent a car for a month? Maybe the dealer could fix you up with a loaner?
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Old 11-08-2019, 01:45 AM   #3
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I don’t KNOW anything about texas but it seems unlikely they require you to have a car in order to get a driver’s license. Not sure why you couldn’t leave your car registered in CO until that tag expires.

Otherwise, it also seems strange to 2020 trucks aren’t out yet because you could just sell your car in CO before you go and buy the truck before your trailer. Or, rent a car for a month? Maybe the dealer could fix you up with a loaner?
According to Texas’s website, when trading in an out of state license for a Texas license they require you to either show your Texas vehicle registration or sign an affidavit stating that you don’t currently own a vehicle.

2020 Ram Heavy Duty trucks are not available on lots or to place orders yet. Ford is the same way. No official dates have been announced either, just a lot of rumor that they’ll show up early Q1.
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Old 11-08-2019, 02:54 AM   #4
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So whats the rush ?, run the numbers first then jump.
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Old 11-08-2019, 10:23 AM   #5
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According to Texas’s website, when trading in an out of state license for a Texas license they require you to either show your Texas vehicle registration or sign an affidavit stating that you don’t currently own a vehicle.

2020 Ram Heavy Duty trucks are not available on lots or to place orders yet. Ford is the same way. No official dates have been announced either, just a lot of rumor that they’ll show up early Q1.
That’s annoying! I guess you are stuck with whatever is cheaper:
1) Register your CO car in Texas just to resell it later paying the tax.
2) Sell your CO car in Q1 and then fly to Texas when you buy the truck and get your license then.
3) Sell your CO car and rent something for now and get your Texas license now.
4) Buy a truck you can get now trading-in/selling your current vehicle. Maybe a great deal on a 2019?
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Old 11-08-2019, 10:25 AM   #6
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I would wait.

First, if you change residency in 2019, it may or may not complicate how you handle the sale of your house - especially since you would be changing states before you sell your house. Colorado's multiple-state tax calculations are not something I would want to navigate if I didn't have to.

Secondly, Texas gives you 90 days to change your license. I would think it a lot more convenient to get the new license and register all of your vehicles in one visit.
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Old 11-08-2019, 10:40 AM   #7
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The tax process is *way* easier if you change residence on January 1. That way everything lines up and stays simple. That would be a much bigger issue to me than the driver's license.

You may want to check the grubby details of bring a "almost new" vehicle into Texas. They may have a time limit where you still pay their sales tax. It would be a pain to plan all this and then find you still owe a pile of sales tax money.

Unless your current driver's license is about to expire, there is no rush to get one in your new state of residence. Each time we have moved, that has been pretty far down the list. Moving bank accounts and insurance to the new location has been higher on the list.

Lots of people take a bit of time moving from state to state. I've known folks who took years to complete the process. If you are in the "month or three" range, that's actually fairly fast.

I'm not a lawyer and also don't play on on TV (or the internet) . That said, I don't think you need to be fully settled / registered / licensed somewhere else the day (or month) you sell the house in Colorado. If that *is* the case then I've broken that law a number of times .....

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Old 11-08-2019, 02:11 PM   #8
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Ok, hoping you fine folks can give me some advice.

Here's the situation:
[*]We will be taking one vehicle with us to NC and then trading it for a truck when the 2020 Rams are available (most likely January)[*]I'll be timing the purchase of our Airstream to coincide with the delivery of the truck

Thanks for any advice!
The new truck would need to go through breaking in period before you can tow a brand New shiny Airstream.
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Old 11-08-2019, 03:56 PM   #10
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The new truck would need to go through breaking in period before you can tow a brand New shiny Airstream.
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..... typically that means putting about 1,000 miles on it ....

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If Jeremy get a diesel Ram the:


ENGINE BREAK-IN
RECOMMENDATIONS —
6.7L DIESEL
The Cummins turbocharged diesel engine
does not require a break-in period due to its
construction.


NOTE:
Light duty operation such as light trailer
towing or no load operation will extend the
time before the engine is at full efficiency.
Reduced fuel economy and power may be
seen at this time.


Because of the construction of the Cummins
turbocharged diesel engine, engine run-in is
enhanced by loaded operating conditions
which allow the engine parts to achieve final
finish and fit during the first 6,000 miles
(10 000 km).
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Old 11-08-2019, 07:23 PM   #12
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Thanks for the replies all. Having some additional time to think about this, and reading the posts here has made me realize that there is no rush, and I can easily get to Texas (by plane if necessary) to get my license at any point.

I'm just going to go ahead and make the residency with on Jan 1 to simplify the tax stuff and everything else.

Texas hits you for the difference of sales tax on a vehicle you bring in from out of state no matter the age. I'll be buying it with a Texas address though, so I'll pay Texas sales tax at time of purchase.

I'll get the truck and trailer first, then go get the licenses after.

As far as breaking in the new truck (6.4 gas btw, not diesel), I didn't mean get the truck and trailer on the same day. While new engines don't require break-in the axles usually do. I'll be picking up my truck in VA and driving it back down TO NC, so getting the necessary miles on it before towing won't be a problem.

On the truck front, my dealer contacted me today and said that (unexpected by everyone) Ram opened up orders this week, so my truck is getting ordered tomorrow!

Again, thanks for the help everyone, I really appreciate it. Sometimes you just need to say (type) an idea out loud (online) for your brain to make sense of everything.
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Old 11-08-2019, 08:46 PM   #13
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RAM Break-in period

Jeremy, congratulations on selling the house and making progress on your plan!

I checked my RAM manual about the break-in period; not much to worry about. Here’s the page from the manual...
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Jeff,

Thanks! Your input was a big part of choosing the gas Ram, so thank you for saving me $9k, and getting me an extra 900# of payload cap!
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Old 11-09-2019, 08:30 AM   #15
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As noted, the manuals on a lot of trucks these days no longer *require* a break in period. Making it mandatory is different than it being a good idea. Brakes, transmissions, axle bearings, differentials all have wear in on top of whatever the engine needs. If the truck is going to be a "keeper", best to take it easy right at the start.

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Old 11-09-2019, 08:54 AM   #16
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I am a little confused about your sales tax comment. I believe that once you purchase your vehicle and legally register it in your current state of residence it is yours and you will not have to pay Texas Sales tax when you transfer it to Texas. If you purchase a vehicle from outside of Texas and register it in Texas as a new purchase you will pay the sales tax in Texas but not the state where you purchased it. That has been my experience.
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Old 11-09-2019, 10:27 AM   #17
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It’s a Texas thing. If you purchase and register a vehicle outside of Texas and then re-register it in Texas they charge you the difference between whatever sales tax you paid and what you would have paid in Texas.

Purchasing a vehicle new and register in it in Texas will of course pay only Texas sales tax.

The end result is you pay 6.25% on it no matter what you do.
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Old 11-09-2019, 10:27 AM   #18
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Can’t speak specifically to Texas however most states want you to even up on sales tax. I.e. you initially buy in. 5% sales tax state and where you move is a 7% sales tax state. They normally make you pay the incremental 2%. Unless the vehicle is over a certain age.
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I'll get the truck and trailer first, then go get the licenses after.

I am confused about this. I live in WA and have purchased trucks and even my Airstream in Idaho. For vehicles you don't have much of a say as to when you "get the license". I had to pay the full WA sales tax at time of purchase. Actually when they fill out all the registration numbers I have to register the truck in WA. I then pay the taxes and get the license registered. Where I live, I don't think I can buy now and "go get the license after."
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Just register everything in Vermont. It can be done legally through the mail and you can use any address in the US.
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