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Old 05-17-2013, 12:50 AM   #113
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It was another shareholder revolt to maximize profits now instead of putting earnings back into the business for the future. That appears to now be the good old AMERICAN WAY to do business.

I would sure hate to own one of these IH produced units and be looking for electronic, engine and otherwise, parts in two or three years.

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Hi, well that explains why Monaco didn't show a 2013 model Vesta. I E-mailed them to ask why the new [only two model years] Monaco Vesta wasn't shown on their web sight. I asked if sales were too low or if they were having too many problems with this new design. They never answered me.
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Old 05-17-2013, 01:26 AM   #114
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With all the chrome ASV puts on fire trucks, maybe their Class A models will shine like a CLASSIC.

Some more info here.


http://www.alliedsv.com/files/051613...-Monaco-RV.pdf

http://www.alliedsv.com/

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Old 05-17-2013, 07:51 AM   #115
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Interesting!

I noticed that Allied is now owner of 4 motorhome companies: Fleetwood, American Coach and now Monaco and Holiday Rambler.

From what I have seen of the new/newer American Coach products (Tradition, Eagle and Heritage), they all seem to use the same chassis/slide layout and differ only in equipment, engine size and trim level.......sort of a rehash of GM's Chevy, Oldsmobile, Pontiac and Buick divisions of not too long ago.

IMHO, the level of fit and finish for American Coach products has declined, since the Allied takeover and the same will happen with Monaco and HR. Bizarre....when you consider that a high-end American Heritage Coach lists for over $600K! I had a client with new Eagle pay me to clean up the tangled mess of spaghetti that were his water lines, just to show the factory how it should be done!

Navistar, on the original purchase of Monaco's brands, did not accurately gauge the level of customer hostility towards the brand that developed when Kay Toolson, then head of Monaco Coach Corp., pulled the plug on the company after his expansion follies. Many owners, dealers and suppliers were left holding the bag for millions of dollars in unpaid warranty claims and parts invoices and totally eliminated the owners' warranty coverage on newly purchased units after the bankruptcy, but he walked away with millions from his golden parachute!

I doubt that Allied will be able to turn this level of distrust and bad feelings around anytime soon. It will be interesting to watch it unfold!
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Old 05-17-2013, 10:26 AM   #116
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So now we have ASV trying to market 4 brands of expensive Class A built in the same facility, with different end caps and trim levels. Its going to be even harder to argue, "my motorhome is better than yours" around the campfire now.

This is a quote from a news release Aug 25 2010 when AVS launched the new Fleetwood RV plateform.

"Another key mission in rebuilding the Fleetwood brand, which soon will be part of a new consolidated Allied Speciality Vehicles Inc. (ASV) unit under the continued ownership of American Industrial Partners Capital Fund IV LP (AIP), is projecting an “extended family” atmosphere through which the company’s management, retailers and 1,200 employees can work amicably through any issues that inevitably surface in building a new company from scratch."

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I am waiting now on the new COUNTRY COACH to hit the market.

I think Country Coach is going to have a winner if they can get their new prodution up and running under their local and long time Ron Lee family ownership history.
Creating Jobs in our Community of Junction City | Country Coach Corporation

Just what the west coast needs to service the huge RV demand, and a great location in JC, OR.



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Old 05-17-2013, 06:10 PM   #117
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Dave,

From what my sources at the old Country Coach tell me, the Veranda model (the one you have in the photo) was instrumental in sinking the old Country Coach. That, along with the predatory attitudes of the Howard Brothers and National RV brought the once great company to it's untimely demise.

They will have the same tough road to climb as Monaco to regain their client's trust (Lee family or not)....something I heard many times from owners at the last Country Coach rally that I attended. There seemed to be a constant vapor present in the air from all of the steam that the owners were trying to expel........... at the Howard brothers!
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Old 05-20-2013, 02:29 PM   #118
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OK AIRSTREAM, we will even settle for new production of past models with some update.

How about restarting the 2006 A37+ with some changes to make it more practicable.

Biggest change is to make a mid entry door. This gives better cockpit visibiliy, no wind noise, no leaks, no small canopy to rattle, and puts entry closer to the travel in/out destination.
Move the entrance door to the rear of the easy chair in picture #1.

Lets start with this and then later produce a nice 43-45' model when we have it rolling.

Airstream A37+

2006 Airstream A-37+.
37'+ with 3 slides.
Cummins 400 HP diesel engine, exhaust brake, Allison 6 speed transmission. Update this to an Allison 4000 including manual retarder.

Freightliner Raised Rail chassis. Freightliner offers their own basement, this might make it easier to restart production.

3K watt inverter, Power Tech 12K diesel generator. I like the Power Tech.

Automatic leveling jacks. Include front and back individual air dumping also for negotiating sharp driveway entrances and short stops.

Colour back-up camera with audio. Side cameras also.

Air brakes, cruise control, tilt/telescoping wheel.

Power mirrors with heat. Mount these from the top down but not down so low that they block vision. I can raise my head to look at the mirror.

GPS navigation system, power pedals, automatic step well cover, power leather Captains chairs. Power foot rests on all please.

Tile flooring. I also like some type of area carpet for the cockpit area that maybe snaps in and can be removed for cleaning or update.

Two HDTVs, Sony Surround sound with DVD player, VCR. These electronics systems should be modular so that they are easy to update or exchange in the future.

Convection/microwave.

Electric stovetop, Residential refrigerator, dishwasher. I'm not sold on this all electric stuff. I would prefer LP stove, 3 way fridge, but if you supply a #10 dishwasher, I guess I could not refuse that. (She must speak English!)

Vessel bowl sinks. These vessel sinks do not turn my crank. Just use a standard cabinet with countersunk sink.

Private toilet.

Arctic package, dual pane glass, day/night shades, dinette table and chairs, leather sofa sleeper, leather euro recliner with computer desk, soft touch vinyl ceilings, solid surface counters, queen bed, power patio awning.

Hydro-Hot heating system. I would opt for a LP furnace with a built in ceramic electric heater with slow fan option.

50 amp power cord reel, roof ladder, power entrance steps.

Aluminum wheels. Lets put all 6 aluminium wheels on.

Front coach mask, spot light, docking lights, exterior faucet, exterior stereo and speakers.

Exterior TV. Do we really need and outside TV? Just run the wiring and let the owner do what he wants.

Fiberglass roof.

Solar panels. Lets install 400W OEM 8ga wire, within an enclosed conduit from the roof to the battery compartment area to allow easy upgrade in the future.

Air horns, slide out awning toppers, Satellite system, dual ducted roof A/Cs with heat pumps.

And lets go back to some simple graphics for the exterior.

Maybe that rear cap could be rounded a bit more with a fresh air feed from the roof to the engine bay, built in, to keep things cool on the mountain pulls.








FEATURES INCLUDEDAppliances
  • Convection Microwave
  • Dishwasher
  • Icemaker
  • Water Filtration
  • Refrigerator LP 3/way
  • Stove LP 3 burner
  • Stove Top Cover
  • Water Heater LP, AC, engine heat exchanger. 3/way
Electrical
  • Air Conditioning Ducted
  • Auxiliary Batteries
  • Generator Diesel c/w roof level exhaust
  • Inverter
  • Solar Panels 400W standard
  • Power Plugs/lighting in all bay compartments.
  • AC/DC outlets located at all seating locations.
Equipment
  • CD/DVD Players
  • Traffic Cam, 8 hr HD Loop c/w last 3 min. save option
  • Satellite Dish dual feed
  • Smoke/CO Detectors
  • Stereo Systems Front and Rear
  • Surround Sound System
  • WiFi Ranger
  • TV HD Antenna
  • Video Media Center Modularized
  • Weather/CB/radio
Exterior
  • 6 Alloy Wheels
  • Automatic Leveling. Air and Hydraulic
  • Backup/Side Monitors
  • Exterior Stereo
  • 10000# Hitch
  • Ladder
  • Power Awning
  • Power Entrance Step
  • Slideouts
  • Slide-out Awnings
  • Thermal Pane Windows
Interior/Furnishings
  • Mid-Entry Door
  • Day/Night Shades
  • Leather Furniture
  • Cockpit Isolation Curtain
  • Power Seats
  • Cockpit Sun Visors
  • Self Contained
Dave
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Old 05-26-2013, 10:42 AM   #119
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The new Airstream Class A will outsell every other type of RV with this new Revolutionary Super Hydrophobic Coating technology.

Imagine ---- the easy maintenance offered by this product that will be used on the chassis and bodies of the the new Class A.

No more worry about water spots on the exterior finish. No more polishing. No more dirty engine bays. No more rust. No more black streaks on the finish to clean after winter storage. No more worry about water damage.

Yes, it will be a bit expensive, but think of the free time you will have to enjoy your unit that will hold its value for your lifetime and on.

The Official Ultra-Ever Dry Product Video - Superhydrophobic and oleophobic coating - YouTube

Can you imagine what kind of unit you would have today if this was used on your Class A Classic or Land Yacht when it was manufactured.

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To each his own, I do not have or want most of that stuff in my HOUSE. What a waste of a vacation to take home with you, unless you are full timing. Jim
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Yes, it will be a bit expensive, but think of the free time you will have to enjoy your unit that will hold its value for your lifetime and on.

The Official Ultra-Ever Dry Product Video - Superhydrophobic and oleophobic coating - YouTube
Wow! Wish my truck and trailer were coated in that stuff!!!
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My idea would basically be an Interstate modified with a Trek style power bed up front over the driving area, one or two slide outs if wanted, more storage in rear in pace of the bed/couch thing and a shower, toilet on oposite sides. Less than 30feet if done correctly. Galley to remain like te Interstate or modified to buyers choice. Easier access to batterys and a larger generater as an option. Sliding door replaced a narrower easier to use normal door. You would still be looking a at least 15 mpg diesel. Others may have additional ideas. Thanks, jim
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Forgot, this could be built on a Sprinter cabchassis that would make it a class A . Jim
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Wow! Wish my truck and trailer were coated in that stuff!!!
Duuuude, that is slick!
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Old 06-05-2013, 09:21 AM   #125
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Thor buys Wakarusa

Bob Martin announces that Thor will buy Wakarusa facility.

http://www.fox28.com/story/22501723/...ng-to-wakarusa

Here comes that new Class A with an Airstream name on it???? They just have to put an Airstream sign over one or two bay doors to make it an Airstream facility.

Everyone is now producing motorhomes of different brands in the same facility.

http://goo.gl/maps/nmsVu

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OK AIRSTREAM, we will even settle for new production of past models with some update.

How about restarting the 2006 A37+ with some changes to make it more practicable.

Biggest change is to make a mid entry door. This gives better cockpit visibiliy, no wind noise, no leaks, no small canopy to rattle, and puts entry closer to the travel in/out destination.
Move the entrance door to the rear of the easy chair in picture #1.

Lets start with this and then later produce a nice 43-45' model when we have it rolling.

Airstream A37+

2006 Airstream A-37+.
37'+ with 3 slides.
Cummins 400 HP diesel engine, exhaust brake, Allison 6 speed transmission. Update this to an Allison 4000 including manual retarder.

Freightliner Raised Rail chassis. Freightliner offers their own basement, this might make it easier to restart production.

3K watt inverter, Power Tech 12K diesel generator. I like the Power Tech.

Automatic leveling jacks. Include front and back individual air dumping also for negotiating sharp driveway entrances and short stops.

Colour back-up camera with audio. Side cameras also.

Air brakes, cruise control, tilt/telescoping wheel.

Power mirrors with heat. Mount these from the top down but not down so low that they block vision. I can raise my head to look at the mirror.

GPS navigation system, power pedals, automatic step well cover, power leather Captains chairs. Power foot rests on all please.

Tile flooring. I also like some type of area carpet for the cockpit area that maybe snaps in and can be removed for cleaning or update.

Two HDTVs, Sony Surround sound with DVD player, VCR. These electronics systems should be modular so that they are easy to update or exchange in the future.

Convection/microwave.

Electric stovetop, Residential refrigerator, dishwasher. I'm not sold on this all electric stuff. I would prefer LP stove, 3 way fridge, but if you supply a #10 dishwasher, I guess I could not refuse that. (She must speak English!)

Vessel bowl sinks. These vessel sinks do not turn my crank. Just use a standard cabinet with countersunk sink.

Private toilet.

Arctic package, dual pane glass, day/night shades, dinette table and chairs, leather sofa sleeper, leather euro recliner with computer desk, soft touch vinyl ceilings, solid surface counters, queen bed, power patio awning.

Hydro-Hot heating system. I would opt for a LP furnace with a built in ceramic electric heater with slow fan option.

50 amp power cord reel, roof ladder, power entrance steps.

Aluminum wheels. Lets put all 6 aluminium wheels on.

Front coach mask, spot light, docking lights, exterior faucet, exterior stereo and speakers.

Exterior TV. Do we really need and outside TV? Just run the wiring and let the owner do what he wants.

Fiberglass roof.

Solar panels. Lets install 400W OEM 8ga wire, within an enclosed conduit from the roof to the battery compartment area to allow easy upgrade in the future.

Air horns, slide out awning toppers, Satellite system, dual ducted roof A/Cs with heat pumps.

And lets go back to some simple graphics for the exterior.

Maybe that rear cap could be rounded a bit more with a fresh air feed from the roof to the engine bay, built in, to keep things cool on the mountain pulls.








FEATURES INCLUDEDAppliances
  • Convection Microwave
  • Dishwasher
  • Icemaker
  • Water Filtration
  • Refrigerator LP 3/way
  • Stove LP 3 burner
  • Stove Top Cover
  • Water Heater LP, AC, engine heat exchanger. 3/way
Electrical
  • Air Conditioning Ducted
  • Auxiliary Batteries
  • Generator Diesel c/w roof level exhaust
  • Inverter
  • Solar Panels 400W standard
  • Power Plugs/lighting in all bay compartments.
  • AC/DC outlets located at all seating locations.
Equipment
  • CD/DVD Players
  • Traffic Cam, 8 hr HD Loop c/w last 3 min. save option
  • Satellite Dish dual feed
  • Smoke/CO Detectors
  • Stereo Systems Front and Rear
  • Surround Sound System
  • WiFi Ranger
  • TV HD Antenna
  • Video Media Center Modularized
  • Weather/CB/radio
Exterior
  • 6 Alloy Wheels
  • Automatic Leveling. Air and Hydraulic
  • Backup/Side Monitors
  • Exterior Stereo
  • 10000# Hitch
  • Ladder
  • Power Awning
  • Power Entrance Step
  • Slideouts
  • Slide-out Awnings
  • Thermal Pane Windows
Interior/Furnishings
  • Mid-Entry Door
  • Day/Night Shades
  • Leather Furniture
  • Cockpit Isolation Curtain
  • Power Seats
  • Cockpit Sun Visors
  • Self Contained
Dave
Stay with the old-school 3-way fridge - really? Residential fridges are the cat's meow. We love ours.

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