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Old 09-12-2012, 08:01 AM   #71
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That's why, I think, it would be a mistake to reenter this market with this kind of product. By the same token, then, if I were to engage into this kind of dreaming seriously, I'd do what it takes to return to pedigree, marching to a different drummer by offering a motorhome that is immediately recognizable as an Airstream.


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Great post, Lynn. All that plus, AS' lack of a sufficient dealer service network would really put them behind the 8-ball in comparision to the other brands (e.g., Entegra, Nemar, American Coach and Tiffin).

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Old 10-29-2012, 07:32 PM   #72
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Interesting thread! Dave (Masseyfarm) sent me the link when I asked some questions. We're about a year or less out from buying our full-time coach, and we've settled on a DP coach, 36'-40' in length, no slides, side radiator, full airbag suspension. Although it wasn't really a factor, a distinctive appearance is also a part of the two brands that we're down to. We're looking hard at the mid-90's Foretravel U300 or a Bluebird Wanderlodge SP or PT. The BMC is somewhat above our price, but otherwise fits our needs.

The Foretravel has the sloping windshield and a mid-entry floorplan. The windshield is slightly shorter vertically than the bus-style Foretravels, which means somewhat less solar heat when headed into the sun. The 'Birds, of course, have a distinctive look with their "goat rails" on the roof and steel construction. The BMC and SP models have the mid-entry, which we like, while the PT models are front-entry, which gives the navigator more leg room.

Personally, I'd like Airstream to pay homage to their heritage with a look that distinctly says "Airstream" but not use old construction techniques that we all know have problems. I'm not an engineer, but neither Foretravel owners nor 'Bird owners have reported many problems with leaks. I would assume that there must be a reason for that. Both brands are semi-monocoque construction, which allows for pass-through basement compartments.

We're not fans of slides, either, and from what I've seen on several forums, neither are a lot of full-timers. I'd like the "new Airstream MH" to have at least one model in the 35'-40' range that doesn't have any slides. Solar panels integrated into the design sounds like a no-brainer. I like the suggestion of hidden gutters. I'm not sure that having some mechanism for saving that water is all that helpful. It certainly wouldn't be useful for drinking or cooking. It might be useful for flushing the toilet, but that's about all. Is the extra weight of another tank needed just to use some rain water for flushing? I wouldn't think so.

I do like the idea of having rounded corners on the doors. In fact, all doors and window openings should be rounded. That relieves stress and therefore stress cracks.

Yes, a modern Cummins engine would be a good choice. The question of a lack of dealer service network hasn't really hurt Foretravel. I would suggest that everyone involved in the design and manufacture of these coaches be required to spend at least 10 days and nights per year in one of their products.

Now, who will buy the necessary lottery tickets for us so we can buy one when it is produced?
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:14 PM   #73
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This new material should work well on the Airstream's Class A exterior/interior above the polished/replaceable Aluminium rub-rail area.

No more luan inside that wall for support of the finished product.

No condensation, should be able to stand up to all-weather use.

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One problem with the last years of the Airstream line of Class A motorhomes was that they were practically indistinguishable from other brands of the type at initial glance. For the standard observer, it was necessary to take a look at the badge in order to ascertain the pedigree.
Airstream Interstate class Bs are nothing at all like a Class A coach. I'll be the first to admit it. However, the Interstate does serve to refute your argument. Every Class B built on a Sprinter chassis is virtually indistinguishable from any other, at a casual glance. The sole exception is the Winnebago ERA, and that's only because they use those ugly but distinctive swoop&swirl graphics on the sides.

Only an afficcionado can tell the difference at a glance, between an Airstream Interstate, Roadtrek Adventurous, Great West Legend, or Pleasureway Plateau. It's only when you look inside that the differences become apparent.

And yet, Airstream Interstates outsell all of the other brands I've named, despite also being the most expensive of the Sprinter-based Class B's in the USA.

You might have to look at the nameplate to establish the pedigree, but for those who care about quality, subtlety is not a drawback. A whisper can draw just as much attention as a scream, if done right.

But if you want instant recognizability for the new breed of Class As, all you will need is a few WBCCI members putting big red numbers on them…
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I doubt we'll ever see a classic again. The "traveling" public wanted a mobile hardware store, and the the "big box" mo/ho designers delivered.
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Just to enforce the negative design aspects of the front entrance door.

How am I going to get in and out of my motorhome after the "early to bed guests" retire?

And this is a top of the line 1M$ rig.

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This is a competitive brand mid entry coach. I can't imagine how anyone can argue against this. The most direct route to the kitchen which is the center of activity in any home.
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Old 11-18-2012, 05:26 AM   #77
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Just to enforce the negative design aspects of the front entrance door.

How am I going to get in and out of my motorhome after the "early to bed guests" retire?

And this is a top of the line 1M$ rig.

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I won't have that problem, when I purchased my Airstream Class A, someone asked "How many does it sleep?" My response was "ONE", lol.
Thanks for a great thread, Derek
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Old 11-18-2012, 05:49 AM   #78
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Just to enforce the negative design aspects of the front entrance door.

How am I going to get in and out of my motorhome after the "early to bed guests" retire?

And this is a top of the line 1M$ rig.

Dave
I would choose my guests carefully. Might get interesting. Sal
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Old 11-18-2012, 12:47 PM   #79
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I think the Palazzo 33.1 shows a bit better in the video than the still pictures project.

Still way too square for our new Airstream "A" than I envision but has many of the wanted features.

I like the 36.1 model but would want the floorplan that the 33.1 has expanded.

The 28000# chassis should do the job depending on the unloaded weight of the unit? They don't give carrying capacity numbers.
2013 Palazzo Motorhomes: Class A Diesel RV by Thor Motor Coach

I question the two or more designers of the rear cap? Are we doing square or not? It would be nice if they actually talked to each other before the final rear cap mould was cast.


When researching this and other units, I see "THOR" has standardized the grey and black tanks on this and the Tuscany to equal sizes. WHY? I have never come close to filling the 40 gal black on my Clipper, but have filled the 70gal grey many times. Do these guys ever actually use these things?

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I believe the Palazzo has all the accessory openings (furnace, frig, etc.) on the Street side of the coach - a new design trend for Thor, as several of their new designs also follow this thinking - smart indeed!
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When researching this and other units, I see "THOR" has standardized the grey and black tanks on this and the Tuscany to equal sizes. WHY? I have never come close to filling the 40 gal black on my Clipper, but have filled the 70gal grey many times. Do these guys ever actually use these things?

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A smaller grey tank costs less. That's is probably the answer to why. As to whether they ever use these things, probably not.

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How am I going to get in and out of my motorhome after the "early to bed guests" retire?
What, there's no standard ceiling rail with attached "chair on a chain"??
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Dave,

Looking at the photo again, I think you could crawl underneath. But preventative medicine helps—load them up on caffeine and they won't go to bed early. Use an Interstate for a toad and have them sleep there. Leave before they retire and when you get back when the bars close, tell them it is time to get up. If you are NY, bars are open 'til 4:30 am and the sun will be coming up. You can sleep all day while someone else drives. Since you'll be very rich if you own that MH, have your valet carry you across the sleepers. Once they are asleep, gently lower them to the floor, put the sofas back in service and party on. Instead of a run of the mill $1 M MH, get the $2 M model with the ceiling rail and chair on a chain. That chair may have other uses as well when you and your lady get frisky. The really high end MH's are two stories with beds in the basement. That has the advantage that you can lock them in if they have been bad guests.

There are any number of solutions to this. It's lucky you have the Forum to help with this.

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Gene, I did not buy that one 'cause the GW didn't like the ZEBRA pillows and lampshades.

That "chair on a chain" franchise sounds interesting though, might be better than "Witch Hitch". I want in on the ground floor and I am a lucky man.
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There are any number of solutions to this. It's lucky you have the Forum to help with this.

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What, Chair-on-a-Chain©? I'll email you a prospectus!
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