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Old 09-11-2012, 07:13 PM   #57
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Hi, I could argue that this motorhome is too gaudy. I picture old snobs sipping their drinks and eating fish eggs. YUK. Go back to the old style Airstream, but modernized a bit. More modern drive train and suspension. We need a practical motorhome made for the common people, not fancied up like a French ***** house.
That photo is of a new Newell Coach. I have about 18 clients that own them from various years. Some of the nicest folks I work for! Very big with the NASCAR circuit too. 4 slides, 45'6'', Cummins ISX with 650 BHP, 12 speed ZF tranny, Auto-levelling air ride, 14' across in the living room with the slides out, incredible fit and finish (the BEST IMHO!), and 7'6" headroom. You can order the mid-entry, but they are trending away from them.
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Old 09-11-2012, 07:27 PM   #58
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Actually, Navistar owns Monaco, not Marathon. The latter is/was the largest exclusive Provost converter and is having extreme financial difficulties at the moment.

Hi, Lewster; You are correct. We toured both factories in Eugene, Oregon and I sometimes mix them up.
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Easy to do as the Monaco factory buildings (1 million sq. ft. IIRC) were actually right across Coburg Industrial Way from the Marathon plant.
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Old 09-11-2012, 08:40 PM   #60
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Hi, this is a concern, but since Navistar owns Marathon, that's what it gets. This engine might be better in a motorhome because of how it is driven. [versus a pick-up] Also one of the biggest killers of this engine was modifications.

Since migrating over to a Class A DP, I have recently had the opportunity to be around several Tiffin Breeze owners who loathe the Navistar MaxxForce engine.

Since we are building out AS' next Class A, I vote for the Cummins ISL 400 on a 42-43' tag FL chassis.

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Now we're talkin'. But you have to go the 44' or 45' or you actually lose basement (compared to a 39' rear rad) storage with the tag axle.

My suggestion was 35' basic, 39' deluxe and a special order 44/45 for those that want the top of the line. But after doing some research on the Kaiser Coach, maybe the "Ultimate" would be the top/top of the line.
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Since we are building out AS' next Class A, I vote for the Cummins ISL 400 on a 42-43' tag FL chassis.

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Also, the rebirth needs to bring about an all electric coach with residential refrigerator, 6-8 house batteries, 4000 or better inverter, 3 AC's with a 10kw onan quiet diesel genset, etc etc.
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I don't want to get too far off topic. But I read somewhere that Navistar has worked out a deal with Cummins to buy some of their engines since Navistar was having so much trouble with their own. It's supposed to help them buy some time while they sort out their problems.

Could you imagine being in on the meetings between the two companies?
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I think we discussed the electric on another thread, but the all electric, which Airstream made a number of them in the A series, is just not practical unless you are hooked up to a tether. You might as well just build the brick house if you need that degree of power consumption.

The idea of a Class A is to be mobile, self sufficient and travel in comfort and style.

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Navistar has over the years always made available other engine brands as an option on their equipment. And I did see the big Monaco IIRC being offered with a Cummins option.

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[QUOTE=AirHedz;1201919] But I read somewhere that Navistar has worked out a deal with Cummins to buy some of their engines since Navistar was having so much trouble with their own. It's supposed to help them buy some time while they sort out their problems.
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Also, the rebirth needs to bring about an all electric coach with residential refrigerator, 6-8 house batteries, 4000 or better inverter, 3 AC's with a 10kw onan quiet diesel genset, etc etc.
Most hi-end motor coaches are now all-electric with 6-8 super large 8-D Lifeline AGM batteries (that's about 2000 amp/hours of capacity and almost 1500 lbs of ballast!), 20,000 watt 4 cylinder PowerTech generators, 4-15K roof heat pumps, an Aqua Hot diesel-fired and electric combination hydronic heat/hot water system, a pair of 4000 watt inverter/chargers and a 450 amp alternator that allows using the front roof A/C from an inverter while traveling on the road.

Just a few of the goodies you get for over $1 Million new.
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Old 09-12-2012, 05:30 AM   #67
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I'm late to the party, but I always did like the look of these Airstreams.



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I'm sure that this has been posted before, but if Airstream was to go back into the class A field, they should definitely look at the Newmar Newair as inspiration. IIRC, they were around 30', all electric with Cummins 5.9 in a pusher orientation and longinitudinal single duallies at the rear, one for drive and one for suspension. Drove like a large van, not a motorhome.

PS: it also had a mid-entry door.....


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my 2 cents

One problem with the last years of the Airstream line of Class A motorhomes was that they were practically indistinguishable from other brands of the type at initial glance. For the standard observer, it was necessary to take a look at the badge in order to ascertain the pedigree.

This was a major problem, in my opinion, because some of the other brands of Class A were (and still are) offering quality as well, often at a lower price. In order to reenter this market, then, Airstream would need to offer a moho of even higher order, entering a style war with SOB manufacturers well versed in the art of this kind of war.

That's why, I think, it would be a mistake to reenter this market with this kind of product. By the same token, then, if I were to engage into this kind of dreaming seriously, I'd do what it takes to return to pedigree, marching to a different drummer by offering a motorhome that is immediately recognizable as an Airstream.


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