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Old 03-05-2016, 12:12 PM   #1
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Jiggely mirror - 96LY

One thing immediately apparent on our test ride last weekend, was that the drivers mirror jiggles so bad it is hard to see. VelVac Turbo Mirror, #712445

The 2nd thing I discovered is that Velvac has discontinued these, and has no parts available. The Velvac folks confirmed they were "obsolete". Just how the heck does a mirror become "obsolete"? I can see maybe an Apple IIe becoming obsolete; and 8-track cassette players; and perchance buggy whips... But a mirror?

I found a post regarding some compatibility of the Velvac Superstar mirror #712719 I believe; but the factory also indicated only the motor is available; no other parts.

Looking at it, I cannot even see how to get the darn thing apart.

Anybody seen, or solved this?

TIA
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Old 03-05-2016, 03:37 PM   #2
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Well, made some progress - good news and bad news. If anybody has to do this... be patient. The mirror assembly is held together by a plastic bezel which snaps in place. After 20 years in the son, the plastic is not very ...plasticky any more.

The good news is that it does not appear I need to remove the entire dash top and then the dash in order to get to the mirror mount. That ain't the problem.

Bad news is that I found the problem. I think I figured out why Velvac "Obsoleted" this mirror. It is a crap design. Once I pulled back the rubber grommet, I could easily move the mirror from front to back (exactly how it jiggles going down the road) in order to see this void; and the loose inserts:





These two metal inserts are threaded into the plastic mirror casing. Which have been stripped out of the plastic. It appears this is what would happen if you were to hit something with the mirror as you were going forward. The casing is a double wall assembly, which means there is no way to (easily) get to the inside to say, change the hardware and put a nut on the inside.

But I'm not done yet. I'm going to pull put my dremel and see if I can make a hole on the inside of the double wall housing in order to change the insert-into-plastic-thingie to a nut, washer, and bolt.

Beats buying used mirror on ebay (all with different stalks and mounts, and also 4-6" taller, BTW) and then trying to figure out how to mount it...
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Old 03-05-2016, 03:42 PM   #3
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I have some information here.
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f313...ml#post1305937

I have had them apart a few times. Just take you time and be gentle. Replacement parts are not readily available.

Is the mirror loose inside the body or is it loose against the Airstream pillar or sidewall?

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One thing immediately apparent on our test ride last weekend, was that the drivers mirror jiggles so bad it is hard to see. VelVac Turbo Mirror, #712445

The 2nd thing I discovered is that Velvac has discontinued these, and has no parts available. The Velvac folks confirmed they were "obsolete". Just how the heck does a mirror become "obsolete"? I can see maybe an Apple IIe becoming obsolete; and 8-track cassette players; and perchance buggy whips... But a mirror?

I found a post regarding some compatibility of the Velvac Superstar mirror #712719 I believe; but the factory also indicated only the motor is available; no other parts.

Looking at it, I cannot even see how to get the darn thing apart.

Anybody seen, or solved this?

TIA
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Old 03-05-2016, 11:20 PM   #4
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Dave,
Yours was the original post I found to get this project going; thanks!

As you prolly know, the mirror is a bit odd. 2(or maybe three, but I cannot feel the last bolt) bolts secure the mirror to the Coach A Pillar. Subsequent to my last post if I lay on my back and reach up, under and into the dash, I can just feel the (2) bolts heads; they are tight.

The mirror...pedestal, for lack of a better term, then has the black plastic mirror housing bolted to it with those wonky inserts. The bolts go through a flange on the outside end of the pedestal, and screw into an inner thread on those wonky steel inserts which were screwed into the plastic. With it all covered by the rubber.

Basically, this whole shebang is based upon the mirror never being placed in tension - cause when that happens, the inserts strip out of the plastic and your mirror goes all jiggely. This could be caused by hitting something, a bird strike, maybe a rock, and maybe even too much wind speed over time.

Guess I should not complain too much, as it lasted 20 years. But every one of these mirrors will eventually fail in the same manner. Unless the motor burns out first. But that said, I stand by my earlier comment - it is a crap design. Stressed members and plastic rarely include longevity as a byproduct.

Not to digress.. well, it's my thread, so I guess I can:

A few years ago I had reason to be in the Ford dealership in Silver City, IIRC. Friendly folks, and they let me wait to speak to a mechanic in the shop while he was working on some high performance Mustangs. He had (3) Mustangs he was working on, all with the hoods open, and doing the same job on each: replacing the PLASTIC intake manifolds. This is a big job, if you have not seen the engine bay on a hi-po Mustang lately. Seems Ford misjudged how much plastic to reinforce the heater hose connection with, and they were all cracked; same place, every one. All being fixed under warranty. I asked to see how the new one was made, and he pulled one out of the box for me. The new part had a metal corner cast into the plastic manifold. The engineer on that manifold screwed up: it did not make it past the warranty period... If it had, all those owners would have been SOL...
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