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Old 09-23-2016, 10:08 AM   #15
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Thanks for all the input guys.

I fully understand what it would take to rebuild one of these. I currently own a 1992 LY 36' 454 gas that I bought for $2000. Major water damage rebuild but still generally sound. Not as bad as you might think if you're prepared to do an interior gut and replace yourself. On mine, all the cabinetry was intact and all the appliances were functional. Gensets are usually an easy repair if you know your way around them and they can sell for good money. These usually came with the 7KW Onan Marquis. The aluminum wheels are very desirable as well and can sell for close the a grand for a set.

I never look at these as a quick fix. I asses it as a part out first and then look at them as a viable repair later. If they meet the part out price point then it's a good potential deal. I don't expect either of these to sell for the asking price, so doing a part may very well be possible. I'll let the sellers stew for a while and see if their prices drop.

I was intriged with these since the DP models don't show up that often and two showed up withing days of each other.
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Old 09-24-2016, 07:54 PM   #16
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Please keep us posted on your decision to purchase and the experiences you have afterwards. Like Paul, I own a fiberglass DP purchased 2 years ago from the original owner estate. Fortunately it was stored in a warehouse and I had the complete paper trail back to the actual deposit ticket used when he gave a cashiers check for deposit of $80,000. My unit retailed for $145k in 1997 but was sold for $118k through a dealer near Jackson Center.

Needless to say I am very happy with it and had no suprises other than how well it performs. Gas mileage is around 11-12 even towing a Jeep. Driven it cross country twice with no problems. Good luck with your search. Keep us posted.
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Old 09-25-2016, 09:39 AM   #17
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Widebody?

Mike,
I've heard that term "widebody" before and wondered if that was a sales term or what it means. I don't think ours is particularly wide, although it's over
9'6" mirror to mirror. It's wider than our old GMC Eleganza, but I think the big box coaches are even wider.
Maybe we've been driving a "widebody" for 12 years without knowing it was.
How do you define widebody?
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Old 09-28-2016, 06:47 PM   #18
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Of the two I'd go for the '94, the 93 looks like it has extensive water damage. If the '94 drives well I'd look it over really close for water damage but for the price you could do some fixen. Hope the MoHo isn't what caused the guys heart attack! Also as mentioned I'd rather have an aluminum MoHo, but you could always sell later if you want.
94 had an owner interested in fixing, second one let it sit and put in a comfortable chair to watch it deteriorate. If all the parts removed on the 94 are available and in good condition it would be a better choice, the 150k would be a well cared for MH that has traveled. If records show continuous maintenance and use, you still need to have a reserve of cash to complete repairs and fixing the unknown.
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Old 09-29-2016, 04:24 PM   #19
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Hey Paul....well I did some checking on "wide body" and found a few things to share.

First the blue/gray factory owners manual that came with it has huge letters on the cover that say "WIDE BODY LAND YACHT PUSHER by Airstream". Tried to get a photo but my picture file was to large to download. Will work on that

Next in the contents page, Section B has a detail listing called "Wide Body Limitation Loading". Its lists the following for this type unit:
Net Carrying Capacity - 1960lbs
Unloaded vehicle weight (full fuel) - 19,040lbs
Gross front axle weight - 8000lbs
Gross rear axle weight - 13,500lbs
Gross vehicle weight - max allowable weight - 21,500lbs
Gross combined weight - motorhome plus cargo - 26,500lbs.

Mine was built on a Freightliner chassis with Cummings engine. Some older units were on Oshkosh Chassis. Records show Freightliner bought the Oshkosh Plant in Gaffney, NC in 1995. My AS frame was built in April 1997 and shipped to Jackson Center where the body was added and finished in July 1997. First owner picked it up on 8/1/1997 after it was delivered through a local Airstream dealer.

The sale brochure for 1997 also has it identified as Freightliner Chassis 228" W.B. with air suspension. The exterior length is listed at 35' 10" and exterior width at 8' 6" or 102" wide. Guess that's how they came to finally call it the Wide Body.
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Ours is a 1994 on a Sparton Chassis with a Cummins 230 Turbo & Allison set up. Looks just the same but is 34'11" and is called a 35 Foot, but says 34 on the front fenders. I guess year to year changes have gone un-noticed by me.
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Ours is a 1994 on a Sparton Chassis with a Cummins 230 Turbo & Allison set up. Looks just the same but is 34'11" and is called a 35 Foot, but says 34 on the front fenders. I guess year to year changes have gone un-noticed by me.
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Does your Spartan chassis have it's steering miter box mounted so that it flexes when loading the steering wheel by say, bumping it on either lock?

The mount on mine is not triangulated and a design and engineering failure that must be corrected. Everything in the steering is tight and unworn. That flexing has it being a real beast to keep between the lines at times.

I called Spartan and asked it there had ever been a recall on it and was told negative. Frankly, unless mine is missing a strut or brace (I see no evidence of anything missing) I can't imagine it not being recalled.

I'll get better pix when I disassemble it to fab a properly overly robust mount for it. I can see that mount plate fatiguing and breaking as it is.
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Does your Spartan chassis have it's steering miter box mounted so that it flexes when loading the steering wheel by say, bumping it on either lock?.
No ours steers fine, just hard to make a U Turn when towing a trailer. Turnlng radius is pretty large, making wrong turns a real problem at times.
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J Alan......after I bought my Landyacht, first long trip was from NC down to Key West and back. Drove about 1000 miles each way. It had wheel play that was so bad it made my shoulder hurt at end of trip. Took it into Frieghtliner and they said the bell camber needed replacement. Its a part that should be replaced every 10 yrs according to them. Once replaced and new shocks mounted, its drives like a dream now.
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No ours steers fine, just hard to make a U Turn when towing a trailer. Turnlng radius is pretty large, making wrong turns a real problem at times.
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Have you looked at how the Miter Box is mounted? It is the gearbox that is coupled to the steering wheel shaft and then sends it towards the straight axle at less than a 90-degree angle.

The problem I see with it is about impossible to photograph and even when looking, it doesn't jump out and grab you unless you have somebody bumping the steering off one of the locks.

The mount-plate and miter box only deflects slightly, but, there should be zero movement of it.

I will try to video it and if your's is assembled the same, I suspect you'll want to have a look at it. It only is really noticeable in normal driving when a wheel drops off uneven pavement or catches a rumble strip.

It feels sorta like a tie rod end may be made of rubber, not so much worn out and clunky.

Mike1997, I don't see anything in my Spartan chassis manual that naming anything a "bell camber". In my years of less heavy steering and suspension work, I've never heard of such a part.

Is yours on a Spartan, EC2300 series I think is what mine is.

The Spartan has a straight axle and camber is a function of what I believe are unadjustable king pins and bushings, at least without bending the straight axle in a press, I think. I haven't dug in deep enough to see if any eccentrics are part of the design. If so, they would have to be just two position without affecting caster.

I'll have to look much closer at the manual and rig. I don't claim to have seen or know much of anything!

Perhaps a bushing was bell'd (worn) and they replaced a king pin and/or bushing?
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Here are pix of the miter or steering box. Basically, a piece of flat stock is bolted to the frame with 4 bolts, the flat stock has a bend in it and the miter box is bolted to it. No brace to triangulate this wiggly mount exists and I don't see where one has been removed.

Easy enough to make it flex with moderate pressure on the steering wheel bumping it to either lock.

Does anyone else with a Spartan chassis have your miter box mounted the same way?
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I too have a Spartan Chassis with that mitre box setup. Mine has zero movement at the mount though, but I have 0.5" of left and right play as a function of the steering gear box being loose.
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Mine is not on a Spartan chassic, its on Freightliner.

I misspoke on the part replacement. Its a Bell crank assembly. Its something that Freightliner recommend be replaced or rebuilt at 10 years. Mine was original before repaired in Aug 2015.
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I too have a Spartan Chassis with that mitre box setup. Mine has zero movement at the mount though, but I have 0.5" of left and right play as a function of the steering gear box being loose.
If yours is mounted the same way as mine, I can promise you that bent plate will allow 1/8" side to side movement of the miter box, where it hangs like a pendulum on the end of the un-braced mount plate, not of the mount plate where it bolts to the frame.

Short of that plate being made of something exotic, like PWA 1480, and then the frame would have to be as well, it simply isn't possible for that engineering failure to solidly mount that box as executed.

Try more force on the wheel against the locks. I'll even go further and say to see it move you don't even need the power steering pump to assist you.

I'd like to know if yours has an actual second mount piece that triangulates it and makes it rigid.

Spartan said there were no recalls to the chassis along these lines but I didn't get verification if mine is missing a part.
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