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Old 12-17-2015, 11:30 AM   #253
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Don't be afraid to grind or or otherwise remove the rivets from that metal guard to give better access. Just get four 3/8-16x1" grade 8 bolts and bolt back in place when you're done.

Your knuckles will thank you!

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Fan clutch was easy to reach from above.
And Lo and Behold, my fan shroud is a 2 piece as well. Thanks for the offer, Brad.
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Old 12-17-2015, 12:42 PM   #254
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I assume you mean that you want the fan shroud shipped your way?
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Old 12-17-2015, 12:46 PM   #255
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I assume you mean that you want the fan shroud shipped your way?
No Brad, save it for someone that really needs it. Since I have the 2 part, I am fine with my patch.
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Old 12-17-2015, 01:09 PM   #256
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So far it would appear that the demand for fan shrouds isn't all that great

I'll just leave it in the barn for the time being...
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Old 12-17-2015, 09:29 PM   #257
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Darn fan clutch took longer than I thought, but I was able to get it out and in from above. Took her for a long hard drive, new fan clutch never engaged, since I stay under 200. Just had a problem at the parade last weekend. They were moving at walking speed and half way through the parade it was running at 220, with no clutch engaging. I turned all the heaters on full blast for the rest of the parade.
Unfortunately, I still have the voltage fluctuation. I guess its time for a new alt
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Darn fan clutch took longer than I thought, but I was able to get it out and in from above. Took her for a long hard drive, new fan clutch never engaged, since I stay under 200. Just had a problem at the parade last weekend. They were moving at walking speed and half way through the parade it was running at 220, with no clutch engaging. I turned all the heaters on full blast for the rest of the parade.
I'd say you got that problem whipped! Where did you buy your fan clutch from?

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Unfortunately, I still have the voltage fluctuation. I guess its time for a new alt
Have you have the alternator tested under load by a repair shop? Not sure they could detect the problem you having but you never know.
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Old 12-18-2015, 07:06 AM   #259
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I'd say you got that problem whipped! Where did you buy your fan clutch from?
Rockauto.com ACDELCO 154949 (thanks Chris for the part number)

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Have you have the alternator tested under load by a repair shop? Not sure they could detect the problem you having but you never know.
That's my plan for today, but it has to come out from below or the side Stop by, if you are in the neighborhood
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Rockauto.com ACDELCO 154949 (thanks Chris for the part number)
Thanks, Chris & Peter.

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That's my plan for today, but it has to come out from below or the side
If the fan was removed could you bring it out the top?

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Wish I had the time to drop by but unfortunately I've got an Argosy to rebuild and a friends house to help finish
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17 minute alternator removal

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If the fan was removed could you bring it out the top?
Thats just cruel after what I went through yesterday replacing the fan clutch

I got it through the top:
1. Unplug motor battery
2. 2 sheetmetal 10 mm hold the bracket for the starter relay and funky cruise control (in my case, check the tin can,,,!!)
3. loosen lower 9/16 bolt first the loosen upper 1/2" adjusting bolt and remove belt
4. unplug plug and 10 mm B+ nut
5. Remove alt.

All from inside where it is warm and the music is playing
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Thats just cruel after what I went through yesterday replacing the fan clutch

I got it through the top:
1. Unplug motor battery
2. 2 sheetmetal 10 mm hold the bracket for the starter relay and funky cruise control (in my case, check the tin can,,,!!)
3. loosen lower 9/16 bolt first the loosen upper 1/2" adjusting bolt and remove belt
4. unplug plug and 10 mm B+ nut
5. Remove alt.

All from inside where it is warm and the music is playing
Are you saying the solenoid on the bracket on the top/front engine is for the starter, why would you need two solenoids wouldn't the one on the starter suffice?
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Old 12-18-2015, 11:50 AM   #263
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Are you saying the solenoid on the bracket on the top/front engine is for the starter, why would you need two solenoids wouldn't the one on the starter suffice?
this is what Brad said about that subject:
Wires to your starter solenoid should route through that solenoid. This was added as a fix for starter solenoids that weren't working after getting hot. It's outlined in one of the GM bulletins. At some point it became standard installation on all P30s.
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Old 12-18-2015, 02:38 PM   #264
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I'd say you got that problem whipped! Where did you buy your fan clutch from?



Have you have the alternator tested under load by a repair shop? Not sure they could detect the problem you having but you never know.
had it tested, but they have just 1 way to test it and declared to be working flawlessly. My reply was: what kind of Alternators do you have in stock?
I purchased one , installed it and all problems are gone. its just a 63 amp version, but that will have to do for now.
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The real test is what does it do when mounted in a vehicle and I think you just found that out. Glad you've got something working for now.

What are your future plans?
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this is what Brad said about that subject:
Wires to your starter solenoid should route through that solenoid. This was added as a fix for starter solenoids that weren't working after getting hot. It's outlined in one of the GM bulletins. At some point it became standard installation on all P30s.
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Something to keep in mind, this new solenoid does not handle the large cable from the battery to the starter. It only handles the cable that energizes the solenoid that is built into the starter.

Seems like an odd arrangement but that's how GM set it up. If I remember things correctly the problem with hot starts was due to the long undersized wire ran from the ignition switch to the starter solenoid. As the small wire got hot from being close to the exhaust system the resistance went up and the amount of current making it to the starter solenoid was reduced so there wasn't enough current to actually get the solenoid on the starter to engage.

So the ignition switch now energizes the solenoid on top of the valve cover. There is a heavier gauge wire from the battery (or some +12vdc source) to the new solenoid which then goes down to the original solenoid. Larger wire and more current allows the original starter solenoid to engage.

I'll look around for the service bulletin. It's been posted on Airforums before I just don't remember where.

Brad
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