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12-18-2015, 09:20 AM
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Airstream Driver
1994 30' Excella
1992 35' Airstream 350
Austin
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Join Date: Feb 2002
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17 minute alternator removal
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Originally Posted by bkahler
If the fan was removed could you bring it out the top?
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Thats just cruel after what I went through yesterday replacing the fan clutch
I got it through the top:
1. Unplug motor battery
2. 2 sheetmetal 10 mm hold the bracket for the starter relay and funky cruise control (in my case, check the tin can,,,!!)
3. loosen lower 9/16 bolt first the loosen upper 1/2" adjusting bolt and remove belt
4. unplug plug and 10 mm B+ nut
5. Remove alt.
All from inside where it is warm and the music is playing
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1990 25' Excella Travel trailer
1992 350LE Classic Touring Coach
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12-18-2015, 09:37 AM
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#262
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Gunter
1966 24' Tradewind
1984 34.5' Airstream 345
Greenville
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Join Date: Mar 2006
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PeterH-Airstreamer
Thats just cruel after what I went through yesterday replacing the fan clutch
I got it through the top:
1. Unplug motor battery
2. 2 sheetmetal 10 mm hold the bracket for the starter relay and funky cruise control (in my case, check the tin can,,,!!)
3. loosen lower 9/16 bolt first the loosen upper 1/2" adjusting bolt and remove belt
4. unplug plug and 10 mm B+ nut
5. Remove alt.
All from inside where it is warm and the music is playing
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Are you saying the solenoid on the bracket on the top/front engine is for the starter, why would you need two solenoids wouldn't the one on the starter suffice?
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2000 Land Yacht XL 355
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12-18-2015, 10:50 AM
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#263
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Airstream Driver
1994 30' Excella
1992 35' Airstream 350
Austin
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Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 5,224
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gunner
Are you saying the solenoid on the bracket on the top/front engine is for the starter, why would you need two solenoids wouldn't the one on the starter suffice?
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this is what Brad said about that subject:
Wires to your starter solenoid should route through that solenoid. This was added as a fix for starter solenoids that weren't working after getting hot. It's outlined in one of the GM bulletins. At some point it became standard installation on all P30s.
right here:
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f311...ml#post1724086
and you know Brad is Da MAn
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1990 25' Excella Travel trailer
1992 350LE Classic Touring Coach
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12-18-2015, 01:38 PM
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#264
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Airstream Driver
1994 30' Excella
1992 35' Airstream 350
Austin
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Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 5,224
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bkahler
I'd say you got that problem whipped! Where did you buy your fan clutch from?
Have you have the alternator tested under load by a repair shop? Not sure they could detect the problem you having but you never know.
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had it tested, but they have just 1 way to test it and declared to be working flawlessly. My reply was: what kind of Alternators do you have in stock?
I purchased one , installed it and all problems are gone. its just a 63 amp version, but that will have to do for now.
Next!
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1990 25' Excella Travel trailer
1992 350LE Classic Touring Coach
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12-18-2015, 04:15 PM
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#265
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
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Join Date: Jan 2003
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The real test is what does it do when mounted in a vehicle and I think you just found that out. Glad you've got something working for now.
What are your future plans?
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1974 20' Argosy Motor Home
1975 24' Argosy Motor Home
1974 31' Excella trailer (parting out, as of 4/1/2015 I have wheels & windows left to sell)
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12-18-2015, 04:32 PM
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#266
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
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Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 9,116
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PeterH-Airstreamer
this is what Brad said about that subject:
Wires to your starter solenoid should route through that solenoid. This was added as a fix for starter solenoids that weren't working after getting hot. It's outlined in one of the GM bulletins. At some point it became standard installation on all P30s.
right here:
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f311...ml#post1724086
and you know Brad is Da MAn
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Something to keep in mind, this new solenoid does not handle the large cable from the battery to the starter. It only handles the cable that energizes the solenoid that is built into the starter.
Seems like an odd arrangement but that's how GM set it up. If I remember things correctly the problem with hot starts was due to the long undersized wire ran from the ignition switch to the starter solenoid. As the small wire got hot from being close to the exhaust system the resistance went up and the amount of current making it to the starter solenoid was reduced so there wasn't enough current to actually get the solenoid on the starter to engage.
So the ignition switch now energizes the solenoid on top of the valve cover. There is a heavier gauge wire from the battery (or some +12vdc source) to the new solenoid which then goes down to the original solenoid. Larger wire and more current allows the original starter solenoid to engage.
I'll look around for the service bulletin. It's been posted on Airforums before I just don't remember where.
Brad
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1974 20' Argosy Motor Home
1975 24' Argosy Motor Home
1974 31' Excella trailer (parting out, as of 4/1/2015 I have wheels & windows left to sell)
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12-18-2015, 04:34 PM
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#267
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Airstream Driver
1994 30' Excella
1992 35' Airstream 350
Austin
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 5,224
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bkahler
What are your future plans?
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Actually, I need to reward myself and see if I find a good radio/Gps/Cd that fits in my dash. I am pretty beat up from the last 2 days. I just finished replacing the front brake pads and the rattle is gone. More on that in my next post.
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1990 25' Excella Travel trailer
1992 350LE Classic Touring Coach
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12-18-2015, 04:43 PM
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#268
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Airstream Driver
1994 30' Excella
1992 35' Airstream 350
Austin
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Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 5,224
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PeterH-Airstreamer
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Now that I have eliminated some of the front rattle, I am wondering if there are better fitting front brake pads. I always use the blue disk quiet when installing the pads, but they don't always seem to fit tight.
Is the caliper worn or are their higher quality, better fitting pads?
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Listen to this short video to hear and see the front pad rattle I am talking about
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1990 25' Excella Travel trailer
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12-18-2015, 04:47 PM
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#269
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Airstream Driver
1994 30' Excella
1992 35' Airstream 350
Austin
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Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 5,224
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I replaced the old pads (which were fairly new) with these and they fit much tighter. No more rattle
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12-18-2015, 04:49 PM
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#270
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
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Join Date: Jan 2003
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Peter, I've been looking at a unit like this to fit in the dash of my Argosy.
Single Din GPS radio
I have a 2-din Android radio similar to this that I really like. I also have a 2-din Windows CE radio that I hate! As far as reliability and easy of use the Android unit beats the Windows CE unit hands down.
The single din radios have a pull out screen that handles the GPS and videos and if you install a rear view camera it can display the camera feed.
This particular radio does not include the actual GPS software such as IGO but has the GPS system built in. You need to purchase IGO software separately. There are plenty of other models to chose from that do have the IGO software pre-installed. I just linked to this one as an example of what's available.
As a disclaimer I have not purchased one of the pull out screen radios before so I can't vouch for reliability but I do plan on using one in mine.
Brad
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1974 20' Argosy Motor Home
1975 24' Argosy Motor Home
1974 31' Excella trailer (parting out, as of 4/1/2015 I have wheels & windows left to sell)
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12-18-2015, 04:51 PM
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#271
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
, Kentucky
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 9,116
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PeterH-Airstreamer
Listen to this short video to hear and see the front pad rattle I am talking about
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Quite a rattle! I'll have to check out the ones on my Argosy once I actually install them
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Air forums # 1674
1974 20' Argosy Motor Home
1975 24' Argosy Motor Home
1974 31' Excella trailer (parting out, as of 4/1/2015 I have wheels & windows left to sell)
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12-18-2015, 05:32 PM
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#272
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Airstream Driver
1994 30' Excella
1992 35' Airstream 350
Austin
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Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 5,224
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and the new pads (yes the sound is on!)
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1990 25' Excella Travel trailer
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12-18-2015, 05:36 PM
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#273
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4 Rivet Member
1985 32.5' Airstream 325
Lindsay
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Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 479
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Peter
Are the rear pads the same as the front pads
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12-18-2015, 06:17 PM
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#274
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Airstream Driver
1994 30' Excella
1992 35' Airstream 350
Austin
, Texas
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 5,224
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shepherd57
Peter
Are the rear pads the same as the front pads
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Good question, John. I tried to verify it but it just says Front. If you go to other sites like rockauto.com , the front pad always say rear as well
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1990 25' Excella Travel trailer
1992 350LE Classic Touring Coach
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12-18-2015, 07:22 PM
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#275
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Rivet Master
1984 34.5' Airstream 345
Foothill Ranch
, California
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 4,695
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Good Job Peter!
Great to talk to you today!
You ROCK, and I will elaborate over on my thread!
Nice Radio Brad, I like the idea of loosing that brick on the top of the dash for the RVC...
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12-18-2015, 07:42 PM
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#276
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
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Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 9,116
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bkahler
Something to keep in mind, this new solenoid does not handle the large cable from the battery to the starter. It only handles the cable that energizes the solenoid that is built into the starter.
Seems like an odd arrangement but that's how GM set it up. If I remember things correctly the problem with hot starts was due to the long undersized wire ran from the ignition switch to the starter solenoid. As the small wire got hot from being close to the exhaust system the resistance went up and the amount of current making it to the starter solenoid was reduced so there wasn't enough current to actually get the solenoid on the starter to engage.
So the ignition switch now energizes the solenoid on top of the valve cover. There is a heavier gauge wire from the battery (or some +12vdc source) to the new solenoid which then goes down to the original solenoid. Larger wire and more current allows the original starter solenoid to engage.
I'll look around for the service bulletin. It's been posted on Airforums before I just don't remember where.
Brad
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Here's a site that can explain the hot start problem and solution better than I can.
And here's one from airforums.
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Air forums # 1674
1974 20' Argosy Motor Home
1975 24' Argosy Motor Home
1974 31' Excella trailer (parting out, as of 4/1/2015 I have wheels & windows left to sell)
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12-19-2015, 06:20 AM
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#277
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Airstream Driver
1994 30' Excella
1992 35' Airstream 350
Austin
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Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 5,224
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bkahler
Peter, I've been looking at a unit like this to fit in the dash of my Argosy.
Single Din GPS radio
I have a 2-din Android radio similar to this that I really like. I also have a 2-din Windows CE radio that I hate! As far as reliability and easy of use the Android unit beats the Windows CE unit hands down.
The single din radios have a pull out screen that handles the GPS and videos and if you install a rear view camera it can display the camera feed.
This particular radio does not include the actual GPS software such as IGO but has the GPS system built in. You need to purchase IGO software separately. There are plenty of other models to chose from that do have the IGO software pre-installed. I just linked to this one as an example of what's available.
As a disclaimer I have not purchased one of the pull out screen radios before so I can't vouch for reliability but I do plan on using one in mine.
Brad
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Got me going on this subject now, Brad
I probably would have room for a 2din since there is a radio and an equalizer currently. Just have to check the room behind the dash.
Why would you prefer an Android system to something like this:
Jensen A/V Receiver w/ DVD-Built-in NAV-Built-in Bluetooth Technology-Sirius-XM Ready-Pandora-USB-HDMI Multi VX7012 - Best Buy
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1990 25' Excella Travel trailer
1992 350LE Classic Touring Coach
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12-19-2015, 06:32 AM
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#278
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
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Join Date: Jan 2003
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PeterH-Airstreamer
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I believe that is an Android system and looks to be a good one so I'd be interested in that one as well
Being name brand would put it towards the top of my list. When I posted the link yesterday I just grabbed the first link that came up. I actually haven't looked at them for a while as I'm not ready to buy. I figured when I actually have the dash back in place then it's time to find the right radio.
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1974 20' Argosy Motor Home
1975 24' Argosy Motor Home
1974 31' Excella trailer (parting out, as of 4/1/2015 I have wheels & windows left to sell)
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12-19-2015, 08:43 AM
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#279
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
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Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 9,116
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Dang it Peter!
After looking at the Jensen reviews (all positive by the way) and looking around at prices I convinced myself to go ahead and order one!
I found the best price at Amazon for $283 with free shipping. I had a coupon to use so I got it for even less. I think I'll look at this as a Christmas present to myself
Jensen XV7012
Brad
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Air forums # 1674
1974 20' Argosy Motor Home
1975 24' Argosy Motor Home
1974 31' Excella trailer (parting out, as of 4/1/2015 I have wheels & windows left to sell)
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12-19-2015, 08:52 AM
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#280
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Airstream Driver
1994 30' Excella
1992 35' Airstream 350
Austin
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Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 5,224
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bkahler
Dang it Peter!
After looking at the Jensen reviews (all positive by the way) and looking around at prices I convinced myself to go ahead and order one!
I found the best price at Amazon for $283 with free shipping. I had a coupon to use so I got it for even less. I think I'll look at this as a Christmas present to myself
Jensen XV7012
Brad
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get the one with the little remote camera and be done with that part. Besides, you should install it right away with the dash so you can have tunes and a GPS to find your way around your shop.
I will order one myself, but still trying to find one locally, because I have time this weekend to install it (no patience here)
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