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Old 09-09-2012, 08:29 PM   #1
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OMG, new engine?

Just before we were leaving to the south, Bess went in for a normal LOF to the mechanic that has serviced her for years. I showed no oil pressure upon start-up, he said it was prolly a clogged line to the sender and suggested we take her for a run. About a mile away, I heard the turbo blow and Bess smoked like crazy. Turned her around (a total of two miles) and got back to his shop. He pulled the oil filter and discovered he'd installed the filter upside down. At least he copped to it. We have a new turbo coming in tomorrow, oil pressure is back to normal, but I won't know for sure until we get her out for a run.
My question, as I've talked with a forum member, is, after 5 minutes of running without oil, what else could we have worn/blown? After the turbo goes in, what next? You know us, we're getting set to put 6k on her for the season.
Color me asking for advice.
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Old 09-09-2012, 08:36 PM   #2
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Rod bearings, main bearings, cam bearings, cam lobes, piston skirts, piston rings, cylinder liners, I even remember the vacuum pump having an oil line going to it.
It idled for an indeterminate time with no oil pressure, then was run under load for two miles at operating temperature. It doesn't look good.
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Old 09-09-2012, 08:51 PM   #3
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I am assuming that you have a diesel engine?? Most engines have a filter by-pass in case the filter clogs up to prevent damage such as you are thinking. However the ONLY way to be sure is to pull the pan and pull the rod journal and crank journal farthest from the oil pump. At the very least your mechanic should be willing to do this. If he won't take it somewhere else and have it done-Just for piece of mind.
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Old 09-09-2012, 08:57 PM   #4
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It idled for an indeterminate time with no oil pressure, then was run under load for two miles at operating temperature. It doesn't look good.
Yup, my thoughts, also. I just learned he has no liability insurance. I have not even told the wife about this little "problem" yet. Remove engine?
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Old 09-09-2012, 09:00 PM   #5
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Liability insurance or not, he should stand behind it as the right thing to do.

Then find another shop that will admit their liability and stand by thier work for the future.
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Old 09-09-2012, 09:07 PM   #6
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A friend with an 81, 280 with the turbo diesel had the oil line to the turbo blow, lost all the oil very fast, toasted the engine. As I remember he said he drove it only a couple of miles. I don;t recall what actually happened to the internals of the engine. This was in the late 90's and a new engine was over 10K installed locally. The new one was better than the original at least, had a factory turbo and better oil lines to it where the original had an after market turbo installed by AS.

I hope you have good experience with the repairs. BTW, the new engine he had was taller because of the factory turbo, and the doghouse had to be replaced with a raised one.
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Old 09-09-2012, 09:09 PM   #7
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He is an old friend and will stand behind it, even if it's me kicking him in the butt to make it right. Being full-timers, it makes it uncomfortable to be at his shop, but we have option zero at this point. So, do we agree a full tear-down is in order?
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At the very least, drop the oil pan and check the bearings.
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First thing to go on a diesel is the turbo. Next is a scored pistons and liners. Rods and main bearings go last. This is just my experience with industrial engines that lost oil.
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Old 09-09-2012, 09:50 PM   #11
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Mike, I'm real sorry to hear this. It's my understanding that oil serves basically the same purpose as coolant...to move the heat away. If you didn't overheat the engine, it might be ok.

I had a situation last summer...different then yours in a way, but I know how you feel.

I have a Polaris RZR ATV. I usually do all my own work, but we were late for our trip so I took the RZR in to get all the oils changed. The mechanic forgot to put oil back in the transfer case. We got to Coos Bay and I rode the RZR hard for six hours before the transfer case blew and locked up the rear end tight! After six hours the bearings had enough! Bearing was welded to the case! Wish I would have catch it earlier.

I don't know if I've ever been so mad in my life! I ride alone a lot and if I had broken down high in the mountains somewhere, my bones my just still be there.

Dealer tries really hard to get me to bring it back...no way! I knew if I did, they would only replace what was visibly damaged. I went to another dealer and had every part in the transfer including the cover, along with the clutch and belt replaced.

My point is, I was not going to walk away without a complete rebuild because if I did and something else failed a bit later, the dealer could say it was not related. The bill was over $3000, which the original dealer covered.

It's a tough call on your part and I don't envy you on this one!
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I see what you mean Mike!

I would suggest an oil analysis after you change oil filter a couple of times, and a few miles on the OD if you can.

I just dropped the the fuel tank on ours to find a leak. Funny thing, the tank if listed for Diesel only! Guess they put the same tank in all of our year units because of the diesel option!?

Hang in there, sounds like he will take care of it.
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Old 09-09-2012, 10:01 PM   #13
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Hi Mikey..

What a bummer. Running a shop with 17 mechanics... uhm mishaps happen. Sounds like he is going to make it right. But what does that mean? Those old diesels make alot of noise so its tough to know if its just a noisey injector or a rod knock. If you open that engine up its party time $$$. If you drop the pan for piece of mind and check the rod bearings and main bearings as long as one didnt spin you might consider just replacing them (if still available) and that will increase the oil pressure. So that can all be done from the lower end. Not sure how much room you need to sneak the pan out from above the lower cross member. Maybe the engine just needs to be jacked up a bit to make that happen. You would feel alot better to know. If you guys decide to pull the engine plan for an extended stay. Maybe just get the inspection and the turbo now and do this job when the timing is better for you guys. Sorry this happened.

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Old 09-09-2012, 10:09 PM   #14
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Mike, sorry to hear about this problem. If it was me, I would not take that rig on the road before I would feel confident that no damage was done. Now you are in a "controlled environment" with people you know. Cost, stress and agony will go up exponentially once you down the road in the middle of nowhere.
Take care of it now..
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