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Old 04-08-2006, 10:52 PM   #15
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Only problem is that not all RV's depreciate at the same rate. The classic MH's are holding steady, increasing in some cases, and/or declining very slowly right now. Another variable is the end of Airstream MH's all together.
This raises an interesting question. As some of you know I am trying to sell my much beloved MH. I wont get into those reasons here but how does one quantify the "investment" price of one of these pieces of american history. What I mean is a buyer can easily pay 15,000 for a much newer motor home from one of many manufacturers. However they will see tremendous depreciation in value. An Airstream however if cared for and maintained should hold there value because "its an airstream" At what point does an Airstream begin to either appreciate in value or at the minimum hold its price. Take a classic car like a 55 T-bird. It could have lived in a farmers field for the past 25 years and still be worth a small fortune. Why because it is a classic that is no longer being made. The frame and body in worst case condition still has a market value of ??. The same should hold true for our passion, the Airstream. So my question is. In our opinion (I say our as the members of this forum) What is the average depreciation rate of an airstream compared to a like priced Brand X Fiberglass box that has pretty colors and no character?
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Old 04-09-2006, 07:50 AM   #16
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I have watched prices closely on the AS Classics for about 5 years or so now. Even printed out many pages of photo ads to keep. I have seen a steady rise in the prices of most models, where 5 years ago there were ads for 12- 15,000 classics in the 270, 280 line, some reaching 18 or 20,000. The 345 were always all over the range maybe due to there being more produced and available.
In the recent postings it is very hard to find a nice Classic much under mid to high teens (or low 20,000) for 24-31' models. There is always an exception, but in general so few for sale anymore it is a challenge to find a clean well preserved example. The Argosy models tend to bring somewhat lower prices, as the shinier aluminum skinned Classic always demands a premium.
It is fun to hunt for one, and then find the right one for you.
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Old 04-09-2006, 09:05 AM   #17
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I'd love to know how NADA gets the values....guess they take the original sales price and build in a depreciation schedule....

Fred:

Your site is probably the best existing for AS MoHo research. Besides the other AS specific sales sites listed on your links page (Vintage Club, AS factory, WBCCI, here in the Forums) - another site for general (all brand) research is PPL at:

http://www.pplmotorhomes.com/seller/...Price%20Guides

Below I pull a quote from the above site:

"NADA Guide values for used Motorhomes are most commonally determined by taking a percentage of the original MSRP"....

Sounds like a reasonable "start" for establising a price guide for units (MoHo's AND trailers) that rarely trade and are in various stages of (dis)repair that range from junk to showroom new condition.

PPL does not deal in "junk" - they pretty much insist on everything working when the unit rolls into the consignment area. They get their commission off the top from the seller (10% in most cases). Perhaps most importantly, they share the actual sales price on the website.

While http://www.rvtrader.com and http://ww2.rvtraderonline.com/
are good general sites, I think PPL gives a bit more information.

I need to put in a disclaimer here - not affiliated with PPL - no financial interest - don't know anyone who would benefit from advertising here...

Every once in a while an AS that I would consider a pretty good deal rolls across their lot - another place to lurk while searching for the "one".
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Old 04-09-2006, 05:35 PM   #18
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NADA..National Auto Dealers Association is a network of contributing dealers who on the automotive side submit the sales prices of cars sold. That's why NADA values are all "historical" and dated.
As mentioned in previous posts our market is so thin that it's hard to imagine that values, even historical, can be acurate when so few units are sold in any given month or quarter.
The market on Airstream Motorhomes is rather fickel. With gas prices on the rise it's easy to predict that prices of Classic MoHo's my stay steady even in light of the fact that AS isn't making anymore.
But just like real estate ..... it's always on the rise.
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Old 04-09-2006, 07:07 PM   #19
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The Market Price is Variable...

Jaiman-

Unfortunately, there is no guide or website or book that can tell you what a classic Airstream should sell for or be bought for... There are too many variables, and market is not large enough (like it might be for 2004 Toyota Camry..) to define averages... For used Airstreams, there are people who want to buy, people who want to sell, and a lot of FUD and geography and confusion in between...

A mutually satisfying transaction price will depend on at least the following:
1. Year and Model (Rarity and desirability)
2. Interior floor plan and trim level
3. Interior decor and coloring
4. Exterior condition including dings and clearcoat
5. Interior condition including floors and fabrics and curtains/blinds
6. Condition of frame and structure
7. Condition of powerplant and drive train for MH
8. Condition of major systems - plumbing/propane/electrical
9. Condition of major appliances - refrigerator/water heater/furnace/AC
10. Your location (rural or major metropolitan area, snowbird or north)
11. Their location (Same items..)
12. Seller's "degree of connection" with Reality
13. Buyer's "degree of connection" with Reality
14. Buyer and Seller patience or anxiety and urgency
15. Buyer's willingness to take on project work
16. Availability of other units to compare to

I could go on, but relying on guide is poor substitute for learning the market by watching for a while, looking at every website from these classifieds to rvtraderonline to ppl to large dealer sites (Sherry, Colonial, etc etc). Hopefully by now, members understand that E-Bay can be good or bad, depending on ethics of lister and potential buyers, so be very careful about making assumptions on E-Bay pricing or descriptions. As a seller, set somewhat optimistic price, and be open to sellers who are serious buyers and can explain why your price might be worth lowering, and as a buyer, start low and be prepared to move up if the seller can make a convincing case that theirs is worth a premium.

It is still better to complete the transaction for good unit or committed buyer than either continue chasing units in need of expensive surprise repairs, or have sales fall apart or worse because the buyer isn't really knowledgable and committed. There may only be 50 classic motorhomes on the market nationally in a given year. You need to be prepared to market nationally if you're selling, and scan a national market if you're buying, and then move quickly when you get close to your dream.. Lots of folks here have stories of losing great unit while fiddling around with financing or trying to make decisions about pricing, and someone else swoops in and unit is gone..

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Old 04-10-2006, 01:57 AM   #20
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I bought a 1988 Classic 290 (29 ft) about two years ago with most of options and 56,000 miles on it for $18,800. I was looking for a 290 or 250 for a year and half before I found this deal----Either model is very hard to find and is usually a sellers market---patients paid in my case.

Anyway, mine is NOT for sale, but if you wanted to take an up close look at one, you would be welcome to look at mine. I live in Wasco, Or.---about 100 miles east or Portland just off of I84. Let me know!

Good luck on your hunt-----Bob
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I was just out near Prineville this weekend (sleeping in the back of the truck). Id love to see your coach, Ill have to plan another ride out that way soon.
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Old 04-10-2006, 02:00 AM   #21
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Found a 1981 big silver Airstream MOHO in a small Oklahoma town today. I think it's a diesel, but I can't be certain. Don't know anything about it except it's for sale. I will be back down by it in a week and would be happy to find out all I can if you are interested. There was a "For Sale" sign in the window.
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Thanks for the offer! I'm open to any ideas, and if you want to check it out, I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one to benefit.
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Old 04-10-2006, 02:06 AM   #22
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Ummm....

Be advised that most of the AS MoHo's are rated to pull only 2,000 lbs max.

There has been much speculation about the reason for this, but it is a limitation put in the woner's manual, and is also placarded on the interior of the units.
This would be a problem. I just weighed my trailer today with 2 bikes and gear it was 2800. Sometimes I pile in 2 more bikes for another 500 lbs. Is this just a liability/insurance thing? Is the reciever weak? Is there a way to beef it up? ....D'oh, I should search this forum...

I'm going to check on this one, because that's a deal killer.

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Old 04-10-2006, 02:18 AM   #23
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I'd love to know how NADA gets the values when Airstream makes 15 units a year (250's and 370's) and they rarely sell. I guess they take the original sales price and build in a depreciation schedule. Only problem is that not all RV's depreciate at the same rate. The classic MH's are holding steady, increasing in some cases, and/or declining very slowly right now. Another variable is the end of Airstream MH's all together. The 250's have been in the $30-40k range for some time.
Fred,
You'd be the guy to know values of AS MH's. Your site is really cool!

I would think the people in this forum would be easy to convince that their Motorhomes are going to appreciate over time, but they might be a little biased. (I mean no disrespect by this comment, I just figure that most of the people looking/contributing to this forum are already enthusiastic about AS MH's and would easily cheer the idea that their pride and joy will increase in value over time) Although my wife told me that several big movie stars have bought AS MH's recently, which might increase the value??? Seems like a pathetic reason (I really don't like movie stars; Tom Cruise), but a truely driving factor.

Is there real evidence that these motorhomes might be the first motorhomes that actually appreciate? (are there any others?)

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Appreciation is a relative term ,as all of our Classics are seliing for well below what they were new, they of course depreciated..... a lot. But on the other hand they have continued to hold a better percentage of their value than most, not all, brands out there, and seem to be on the rise over the past five years.
There are a some for sale right now; 345's in the high 20,000 and in the 30,000s and smaller models in the 20's and upper teens.
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I'm going to hold off selling mine until Tom Cruise offers me $250K for it.
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It has to be Tom Cruise? Is there something else going on here that we need to know about? Besides, he like Porsches.
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It is true; 2000lb towing capacity with trailer brakes over 1000.

How can this be?

Is there a way to beef up the reciever?

Is this just over protective?

Is this a function of the P-30 chassis? (it has a P-30 chassis right?)

Have any of you towed something bigger?

Do the longer units have more towing capacity?

How could you tow a car with a 1t limit?

This kind of kills the whole deal for me if it is illegal or unsafe to tow my MC trailer.

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FYI, the manual for my Argo says I can tow 4000 pounds! Maybe they downgraded the load limits in the newer units. My 28 footer has the same chevy 454 and P30 chassis with 19.5 Michelins. What gives?
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