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Old 10-11-2015, 10:38 AM   #1121
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I have no idea bob, but there must be some sort of frame for the seats to bolt down.
I presume then that this archived unit, that had me confused, must originally have been the dinette variant:

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.... with the rotating benches removed. There seems possibly to be a trapdoor to more storage there?

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An interesting floorplan. But I prefer yours by a long way.
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Old 10-11-2015, 10:49 AM   #1122
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1984 310 gas in Québec. C$23,000, about US$18K today.

AIRSTREAM MOTORHOME 310 LIMITED | VR | Ville de Québec | Kijiji


This is the rear queen, split bath plan. Seller says it has 62K miles with engine rebuilt at 40K. New front Michelins, 90% rears, new window coverings and carpet, new exhaust system, new battery, rebuilt and upgraded radiator, new air compressor, 7kW generator, rebuilt ignition and carburettor, spare parts included. Looks like a good deal.

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Old 10-11-2015, 06:46 PM   #1123
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What is under all that extra raised floor?
Generator.
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Old 10-12-2015, 06:28 AM   #1124
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24' 1977 Argosy Motorhome - 8,400 Original Miles!

anyone post this yet? I'd love some more pics to see if its as clean as it SHOULD be for this low of mileage. Too small for my family, but you can never replace low mileage. Can't believe the price.
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I know that some will say I am cynical, and I won't deny it, but it's amazing how a hundred thousand miles can just go.... puff.... and especially over a period as long as nigh-on 40 years.

A number of vehicles that I have known in my life have lost a hundred thou in under a decade though. I owned a 1992 Escort wagon, a great, reliable car, that I drove for 205,000 miles, and sold to a friend in 2001, who put 25K more on it, then traded it in. It showed up on the lot as a "genuine 130K from new".

I would have to see some pretty convincing year by year evidence.
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Old 10-12-2015, 07:03 AM   #1126
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I know that some will say I am cynical, and I won't deny it, but it's amazing how a hundred thousand miles can just go.... puff.... and especially over a period as long as nigh-on 40 years.

A number of vehicles that I have known in my life have lost a hundred thou in under a decade though. I owned a 1992 Escort wagon, a great, reliable car, that I drove for 205,000 miles, and sold to a friend in 2001, who put 25K more on it, then traded it in. It showed up on the lot as a "genuine 130K from new".

I would have to see some pretty convincing year by year evidence.

Mileage check:
1. How many hours are on the generator (in the south, most of us drive with the genny on, so just divide the mileage by 100 and you will, in many cases, be close the generator hours)
2. Pedal rubber wear
3. Steering wheel wear

I once looked at a class C see advertised as 37k original mileage. When I asked the seller why there was so much wear on the doors where you would rest your arm, he said his grandfather would drive to the lake and fish out of that window.......
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Classic MoHos for sale?

I agree peter, I think a thorough inspection by a savy buyer should be able to authenticate mileage. More or less. But, I also think that most buyers are not savy.. Buyer beware, as with any used or old purchase. And, buyer be educated.
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I know that some will say I am cynical, and I won't deny it, but it's amazing how a hundred thousand miles can just go.... puff.... and especially over a period as long as nigh-on 40 years.

A number of vehicles that I have known in my life have lost a hundred thou in under a decade though. I owned a 1992 Escort wagon, a great, reliable car, that I drove for 205,000 miles, and sold to a friend in 2001, who put 25K more on it, then traded it in. It showed up on the lot as a "genuine 130K from new".

I would have to see some pretty convincing year by year evidence.
You're not the only one whose alarm bell starts ringing when you see the ad 37,000 original miles on a 30+ year old RV, especially when with these old odometers could be "fixed" with a cordless drill and five minutes.

So when I went to see my 310 with 73,500 miles on her I discounted the odometer completely. My must haves were a good frame, main and floor grid, mechanically sound and a complete interior last. I paid no never mind to the odometer other to look at how the numbers changed smoothly without clicking while driving.

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You're not the only one whose alarm bell starts ringing when you see the ad 37,000 original miles on a 30+ year old RV, especially when with these old odometers could be "fixed" with a cordless drill and five minutes.

So when I went to see my 310 with 73,500 miles on her I discounted the odometer completely. My must haves were a good frame, main and floor grid, mechanically sound and a complete interior last. I paid no never mind to the odometer other to look at how the numbers changed smoothly without clicking while driving.

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The most desirable old vehicle, motor home or other, is one that has not been sitting for long periods. I remember going to see an old motor home that was claimed to have only 11K on it in 30 years, and I believe it was absolutely true, but that poor old thing had nothing that worked, and had obviously been sitting in deep snow every winter (and they're long up here) for its whole life. It wasn't worth anything but scrap. On the other hand I had a 1994 LY that had been used for 3 to 5 thousand miles a year its whole life, and everything was in great shape: it just felt like a going concern. I have bought a few mothballed classic cars over the years, and they are always more trouble than a daily-driven beater with a million miles but no time off.
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With one caveat. If it hasn't been exposed to the elements these 'barn finds' can be a treasure. I would never discount anything because of low miles but you better plan on going through every system including the drivetrain.

I'd rather do that than rebuild worn out crap one piece at a time.
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I'd rather do that than rebuild worn out crap one piece at a time.
I'm living that dream right now
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I'd rather do that than rebuild worn out crap one piece at a time.
Having done both, there really is no difference. The mothballed vehicle that has spent 20 or 30 years off the road and has only a few thousand miles on it will require work on every single thing. Apart from all the seals, linings and weatherproofing, all the rotating and reciprocating components are set in one place, with a ridge of stickiness or rust or corrosion to break through, and all the fluids have become viscous and are impossible to remove and replace without dismantling. Brake lines seem to have become brittle and break on you, anything rubber might look great but is ready to split. Things may look great, but are waiting to betray you.

The kind of vehicle I like if I can find it is one that someone has kept on the road. Stuff may be sloppy and worn, but it is just in the habit of moving on a regular basis. When you get behind the wheel of one of those, you know it immediately.
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I will make one point about low mileage old vs high mileage old. Age is going to effect components either way. Take this brake job for example. 64,000 miles. Seals and hoses deteriorating. Rotors and calipers like new.

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f159/brake-job-spartan-ec2000-127685.html

Vs $5000 for new rotors, calipers, and lines.
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I'd actually be partial to a low mileage moho. I purchased mine in solid running condition and am very pleased with it. However, I'm not so concerned with the mechanicals of the unit. At 30-40 years of age pretty much every mechanical component will have to be gone through, or at least inspected and noted. Regardless of mileage. I don't think it ever ends really. Considering that, I'd shoot for a very nice interior. Things that can't be easily fixed, replaced or purchased at Napa. Of all the things to mess with on a motorhome, the driveline is the easiest, in my humble opinion. Trying to source out large, deteriorated plastic panels, or ABS bumpers that are in good shape.. impossible.
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