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Old 01-03-2013, 11:06 AM   #15
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Tough call Derek, the weigh sheet was in the maintenance records that came with Belle so I have no idea on her loading at the time of the weighing. Maybe someone on the forums has the empty weights of an unloaded 345. I'll check the records again to see if anything can provide better info and get back to you this evening.
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Old 01-03-2013, 11:09 AM   #16
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Thanks buckwheat. Looking at the weigh sheet provided, basically means that there isn't a lot of 'extras' that can be taken along, after having 2 folks, some food and basics in the motorhome. Otherwise, you're overweight.....
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Old 01-03-2013, 11:29 AM   #17
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Greetings Eric!

My inclination is to believe that the weights reflected in the report posted earlier in this thread are probably with the coach loaded. RVSEF and A Weigh We GO, are both companies that often setup at rallys and will weigh your coach for a fee to establish proper balance as well as to reveal any over-load conditions. I have encountered A Weigh We GO as well as other RVSEF partners at a number of WBCCI Rallys, but not any recent ones. I suspect that it may have something to do with the comaratively high cost of vendor spaces at the International Rally. The date cited for the weight ticket would correspond to the time period when I remember vendors with portable weighing equipment being in the Vendor section of the larger Rallys that I have attended.

Based on observation, my guess is that the black tank and gray tank likely had from three to five days worth of contents and the fresh water tank was likely 3/4 or more full. It seemed like most participants weighed upon their departure rather than unhooking and having the weighing done during the rally. If the weigh ticket is dated between June 24 and July 5, that could indicate that the weighing was done with the company's portable equipment at the WBCCI International Rally that year.

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P.S.: While the weighing may have been done at a shop in Indiana, my guess based on the lack of physical address on the documents points toward a weighing at a Rally with portable weight equipment. The date cited corresponds to the general time frame of the WBCCI Region Rally in Texas.
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Wow - - You have to be good to get the title Moderator Emeritus!

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Old 01-03-2013, 12:03 PM   #19
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The only other info on the ticket is RVSEF Ticket #13111 dated 3/3/02. The owner's address at the time (Clifton Merrick) is stamped on the back. Cliff sold the 345 to Dr Joe ("Winner" on the forums), and we got her from Winner in Jan 2004. There's a group motorhome picture floating somewhere on the forums where 6 of these rolling wonders were all together at one rally.
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Old 01-03-2013, 12:12 PM   #20
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Here is what I found digging into my collection of info...

In the 1986 Airstream Motohome Pamphlet I have, Airstream states the following weights:
GVWR:
Wikipedia states that the definition is:
The Gross Vehicle Weight Rating is the maximum operating weight/mass of a vehicle as specified by the manufacture, including the vehicle's chassis, body, engine, engine fluids, fuel, accessories, driver, passengers and cargo but excluding that of any trailers.

They also quote another figure, the ASW:
Approximate Standard Weight: Which is the "Base" motorhome weight(Inc Fuel, but without water). Add 350lb for diesel engine.

345 is listed as:
GVWR= 16,500lb
ASW = !4,300lb
That means that you should have 2200lb to play with...

Now, in the General Motors P30 Chassis Manual dated 15/95 it states that the P30 Motorhome Chassis with the 454/Auto and 4.56 or 4.88 rear axle ratio, the GCVR(Gross Combination Vehicle Rating) is 19,000lb, or 20,000lb if fitted with the 4L80E transmission. That is maximum weight of MH and trailer. This makes sense of the 2000lb maximum trailer weight that Airstream states.
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Old 01-03-2013, 12:32 PM   #21
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Nothing to do with 345 weights, but for raw gross tonnage of motorhomes reaching critical mass, here's the pics I mentioned earlier,
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f288....html#post1057
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f288....html#post1332
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Old 01-03-2013, 07:09 PM   #22
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Derek, I looked over the maintenance records again, nothing else to add for the loading question. Keyair's ASW number is probably the best base number you'll get without making an unloaded run to a set of scales. Airstream lists the ASW in the specifications libraries:
http://www.airstream.com/files/libra...6aeec6e973.pdf
http://www.airstream.com/files/libra...191d212a89.pdf
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Old 01-04-2013, 02:34 PM   #23
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Keyair (Steve) to the rescue. I was almost at a loss as to how I was going to even consider using my 345 all by myself, as to even consider taking along family and friends camping if it meant no room for food, clothes, etc.
2200 lbs of 'wiggle' room between "Approximate Standard Weight" and the GVWR is something entirely workable. Still, next time I see or hear of any kind of Rally close by that is offering portable scales, I'll be certain to get Airstream there and get a realistic weight of Airstream empty.
Now I can realisitically look at those new appliances I was considering (fridge, etc)
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Old 01-04-2013, 06:17 PM   #24
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We had the same fear. After figuring out our wine and beer weight we were only left with 33.2 lbs! Is it wrong to be thinking about replacing the potable water tank back aft with a keggerator and not packing extra clothes?
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Hmmm, jefe raptor in place of fresh water tank. NOW there's a thought!
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Old 01-04-2013, 08:16 PM   #26
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One of the reasons I decided to go with my 15g/70g fresh water tank... 15g for travelling!

My question is...
The GVWR states driver, and passengers... I wonder how many passengers they account for... our 345 has seatbelts for 3 on the couch plus driver and passenger... so is that say 5x150lb... meaning if you travel alone you have 600lb of extra Beer/wine allowance?
And if you run with the watertank empty and gas tank half full, thats another 900LB... Just askin'!
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Now this is useful info!!

Actually, we are talking about ditching the big H2O tank in favor of a small and medium size one. We don't boondock that often and when we do we can always fill up the medium size one as well. I like the idea of a 15 gallon tank for traveling. Just enough to flush with. We use bottle water for everything else in the kitchen anyway.

I had read years ago that Jacque Cousteau had a large stainless steel wine tank built into CALYPSO. I an thinking that might not be a bad idea!
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The only other info on the ticket is RVSEF Ticket #13111 dated 3/3/02. The owner's address at the time (Clifton Merrick) is stamped on the back. Cliff sold the 345 to Dr Joe ("Winner" on the forums), and we got her from Winner in Jan 2004. There's a group motorhome picture floating somewhere on the forums where 6 of these rolling wonders were all together at one rally.
7, the mystic seven...
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