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Old 08-23-2018, 06:28 AM   #15
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I street viewed some roads in that area
Some of them, i wouldn't try in a 20' argosy!
If you have to 3point your minivan, i would start thinking of other ways to load up. Take the bags to the storage location the night before, a small extra logistics step but not the end of the world
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Old 08-24-2018, 05:21 AM   #16
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Anyway, that rig looks really nice, but a couple alarm bells go off when I see those videos
1. They say it is a 454, original engine, but that is the doghouse for a diesel.
2. That shower. Dang.
2a. What's the flow rate on that shower? Looks like it might fill the grey tank in 30 seconds flat.
2b. What's under the tile? If they laid tile right on the original plastic showerpan, I'd be VERY VERY worried about that flimsy shower pan flexing and the tile popping right off
3. These mods are all very awesome, but what's the current vehicle weight? I ask because I've considered them
4. Paint on all those original walls and interior bits and roll up doors makes me very nervous. It's hard to get good adhesion. Look in person, don't be afraid to give it a fingernail scratch when no one's looking, because you know your kids will do much worse
5. Outside rubrail is missing in chunks, some outside bits could use a paint, the polish could use some detail work. Still, they've done 90% of the work on the outside for you to make it beautiful

That's just the nits i found to pick in a very very nice looking rig, i just wouldn't buy it soght unseen, especially at that price.

That AC setup is a great idea, never seen a washer dryer and dishwasher in a 310, could put a woodstove where they have that trash can... bookmarked it for later!
A number of valid points but I must correct one of them.....that is the 454 doghouse cover; nowhere near the same look or style of my diesel doghouse.

I do concur with Magnets assessment of a lot of extra weight......very heavy bathroom sink; solid wood block counter tops everywhere, stainless steel........... I'd be taking that coach to a CAT scale to weigh it before I'd buy it, as you may find you have no more room to add people and their stuff before going over your GVWR of 14,500 lbs. Just to give you an indication of how much these coaches weigh; I weighed mine with some stuff already out of the coach and before flooring and cabinets went in, and she weighed 12,900 lbs with a full tank of diesel and me in it.

Somebody forgot the old axiom; "for every 100 lbs of weight you add to a vehicle, in order to maintain the same performance, you need to add 10hp; let alone that these rigs are terrible braking as it is.

When I did my reno I was weight anal. If I couldn't replace an Airstream stock part with something lighter, the stock part went back, unless I took weight from somewhere else.

Forgive the old picture, sofa's have been recovered and the champagne oak doghouse top has been replaced with a painted one.

One concern should be the condition of the subfloor underneath all that beautiful flooring....just look at the below thread to understand what can lurk there.

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f311...me-106269.html

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PS I would prioritize your wants and needs before buying a 280 or a 310......Your first priority is which one fits you better....fits your driveway better should be further down the list, as you could always move into a different area of town that fits the motorhome better.
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Old 08-24-2018, 06:22 AM   #17
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A number of valid points but I must correct one of them.....that is the 454 doghouse cover; nowhere near the same look or style of my diesel doghouse.
I've not heard heard the term "diesel doghouse cover" before. As near as I've been able to figure out Airstream went through three different covers. The first was used from 74 to 76 and looks a lot like the plastic ones used in the later (84?) Classics except it was made from metal and is hinged and lifts up and is held in place with a metal prop rod.

The second cover was used from around 77 to around 83 and looks like the one in Tony's picture. Around 84 they switched to covers made from ABS plastic that are held in place with barrel type hood latches similar to those found on jeeps.

My personal favorite is the later ABS cover because it's easy to remove and provides a lot more room to access various parts of the engine.

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Old 08-24-2018, 08:43 AM   #18
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I take my 250 into cities all the time. Iíve had a few stressful moments, but in the whole fine. We try to identify good parking in advance but also have to wing it. Itís usually OK. For me, 25ft is the max I would feel comfortable with, but I guess what one is used to. Iíve just done a 15 point about turn in a tight camping pitch. At first these things seem daunting, but that nervousness withers over time.
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A number of valid points but I must correct one of them.....that is the 454 doghouse cover; nowhere near the same look or style of my diesel doghouse.

I do concur with Magnets assessment of a lot of extra weight......very heavy bathroom sink; solid wood block counter tops everywhere, stainless steel........... I'd be taking that coach to a CAT scale to weigh it before I'd buy it, as you may find you have no more room to add people and their stuff before going over your GVWR of 14,500 lbs. Just to give you an indication of how much these coaches weigh; I weighed mine with some stuff already out of the coach and before flooring and cabinets went in, and she weighed 12,900 lbs with a full tank of diesel and me in it.

Somebody forgot the old axiom; "for every 100 lbs of weight you add to a vehicle, in order to maintain the same performance, you need to add 10hp; let alone that these rigs are terrible braking as it is.

When I did my reno I was weight anal. If I couldn't replace an Airstream stock part with something lighter, the stock part went back, unless I took weight from somewhere else.

Forgive the old picture, sofa's have been recovered and the champagne oak doghouse top has been replaced with a painted one.

One concern should be the condition of the subfloor underneath all that beautiful flooring....just look at the below thread to understand what can lurk there.

http://www.airforums.com/forums/f311...me-106269.html

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PS I would prioritize your wants and needs before buying a 280 or a 310......Your first priority is which one fits you better....fits your driveway better should be further down the list, as you could always move into a different area of town that fits the motorhome better.


Tony, are you saying the attached picture is for a diesel, or a 454?

I thought I had always seen the symmetric doghouse was for the diesel, like this (the 310 for sale currently in question)


And the asymmetric is for the 454, like the one you posted (same as mine)


Mine is the same year as the 310 for sale in question, and has the asymmetric doghouse. It's entirely possible they just went with whatever was on hand.




And yes, priorities, if your motorhome won't fit in your driveway, move!
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Old 08-24-2018, 11:09 AM   #20
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Also, from the ad-
"No corners cut on the buff." Looking at the step in handle, corners were quite literally ignored

"gets great gas mileage, 10-15 MPG"
On a 454? Maybe downhill with a tailwind


Neither of these are major, just poking fun



Also, looking at the pictures I posted above, the entire dash assembly looks very different. My 83 310 dash looks exactly like the bottom picture, the top picture of the one for sale looks very different, it looks more like a later year layout.
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It's the year of the rig not the type of motor that determines the shape of the doghouse.

I'd like to know how they plan on accessing the driver and passenger captains chairs. Crawl over the "U" shaped seating? I think of all the in and outs when doing maintenance or repairs, that would be a lot of crawling to get to the ignition and such. Or am I missing something?
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Also, from the ad-
"No corners cut on the buff." Looking at the step in handle, corners were quite literally ignored

"gets great gas mileage, 10-15 MPG"
On a 454? Maybe downhill with a tailwind


Neither of these are major, just poking fun



Also, looking at the pictures I posted above, the entire dash assembly looks very different. My 83 310 dash looks exactly like the bottom picture, the top picture of the one for sale looks very different, it looks more like a later year layout.
I forgot to add that the coach in question dash layout isn't diesel as there is no glow plug and shut off handle as in mine; so she is a 454 OEM.

I think she's a 1984 Airstream built coach but on a 1983 P30 chassis, which would explain the different doghouse to my diesel, which is the picture I attached to my post.

So from what Brad is saying the doghouse designs were non specific to 454 or diesel; or as you stated....whatever they had on hand that day in the build.

You should see the differences between John's (shepherd57) 325 turbo diesel compared to mine. Huge differences in build, engine location, radiator type, etc, etc.

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PS As for 10-15 mpg.......they did take off the roof top A/C's.
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Old 08-24-2018, 12:32 PM   #23
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PS As for 10-15 mpg.......they did take off the roof top A/C's.
Is that all it takes to get 15mpg?? Putting that mini split in the back should pay for itself in just a couple thousand miles!!!
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I believe the dog house/ dash is a matter of year of manufacture rather than engine. My 82 has the squared dog house and early dash. My 87 has the rounded dog house and later dash with the line of idiot lights and center glove box.

My problems with the 310 are several. The weight has got to be way over what it should be. It has to be interesting climbing through the "living room" to get to the cockpit. Imagine pulling into a gas station and trying to get in and out to pump some gas. Next I don't see anything I would remotely consider a safe seating position for kids during travel. Water use with that shower, dish washer and clothes washer would be insane unless you were fully hooked up in a camp site. Even then the hot water supply would be exhausted rapidly. I don't recall mention of an on demand water heater.

It may look pretty but I don't think I would want to travel very far in it. The size on city streets is not the issue, it's the way it's set up. It might be passable set up in a park and the owner no doubt sent some $$$ with the stainless work and polishing but much of that expense detracted from the usefulness of the rig as a "vehicle." The asking price...lets just say the owner is very, very, proud of his coach.
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Red flag, that coach has probably never been used for camping

Looked up the seller, he has 2 posts here, one selling this 310, one selling an excella redone almost identically
http://www.airforums.com/forums/f534...na-172985.html

Looks like he's trying to set up a remodel-and-flip gig

Unless he has proof of using it a lot, I would expect that shower to come flying apart on the first pothole, and all the paint to start peeling off shortly thereafter

Not to say the rig isn't worth anything, but if it were my money, I'd start talking at about half of what he's asking

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Geez, we're kinda doing a hatchet job on this 310, arn't we; but we all can't be accused of not being honest and forthright, and honesty saves people money.

That coach was remodelled by a designer, not a RV'er. Which is why my wife was left to choose fabric; didn't agree with her choice so much, but I was trained by the best to know when to pick my battles.

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It's not that that we are trying to tear it apart but the family in question is looking for a road worthy coach for their family travel. This thread started with a question of size for getting it to their home and travel on city streets. For their declared intended use, this coach would not meet their needs.

They ask and we answered.
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It doesnít bother me that youíre honest. Iím glad you are pointing all this stuff out.

The weight is a concern for sure. I am going to ask. The safety is another but this guy has 3 kids and homeschools them like we do, so Iím less concerned about that. I feel like we can work it out. The tile popping off the shower is another concern.

Bottom line is the 310 is too big for us for a variety of reasons. The first being I just donít want that big a coach in the city, or generally. I just want it a bit smaller.

The reno and bunk set up are super appealing. Itís beautifully done and itís ready to go. Itís just the wrong size. I fell in love with a 26 a few weeks ago and same problem. Itís the wrong size.

I am going to chill out on my search. Itís making me cranky. And there is no efficiency in the market - there are two 310s near me and the prices are all over the place. Renting next week to go and surf in Newport and hopefully I will be reinspired.
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