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Old 10-03-2011, 07:31 PM   #15
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What kind of curb weight does the Toyota Yaris have? I believe I've read that Volkswagen is considering importing the VW Polo, which is close in size to the original Ford Fiesta. Of course, you've said you don't want 'new'. What about a Mini?
Can't tow a mini cooper.
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Old 10-03-2011, 07:34 PM   #16
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Hi Choctawmel,

In my opinion you probably couldn't do much better than the first generation Honda Insight. I've had a 2000 model with a five speed for a few years now, though I've never towed it, and I don't know what that might entail. The original Insight was built from 2000-2006. This was a "proof of concept" undertaking for Honda.

Airstreamers might like the fact that the car is ALL ALUMINUM. I believe it has the lowest drag coefficient of any car ever to have been mass produced, and it is the only car with a rear wheel track that is narrower than the front. The rear tires are "skirted" for improved aerodynamics. It is front wheel drive, and has a three cylinder, one liter engine that produces about 65 HP. That is assisted by a hybrid drive electric motor that kicks in another 12-13 HP boost when needed. It handles like a go-cart, and will give you 50-60 MPG all day long at highway speeds (even more when being towed!). It will comfortably cruise at 90-100 MPH, and still get 45+ MPG. On smooth pavement, it is eerily quiet, even at that speed. I once took it out for a "hyper-mileing" run using every trick in the book, and actually saw 80 MPG. As for reliability, IT'S A HONDA, and possibly my favorite car of all time.

And finally, at the risk of getting too political, I have a big "FIRE PELOSI" bumper sticker on the back, just to annoy the Prius types when I blow past them while getting even better gas mileage!
Only 1887# curb weight. Only 2011 ones are for sale around here.
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Old 10-03-2011, 07:35 PM   #17
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Even if it does not weight in under the 1 ton, (2,430 lbs) The Saturn S series car is a great toad. We have pulled it many thousand miles behind our 310, and you best make sure you remember its there, because the rig don't! Pulls great, 4 down, tracks great, no pump needed for either transmission, and does not effect gas mileage.
my toad I have isn't much more then this is.
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Old 10-03-2011, 07:38 PM   #18
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What kind of curb weight does the Toyota Yaris have? I believe I've read that Volkswagen is considering importing the VW Polo, which is close in size to the original Ford Fiesta. Of course, you've said you don't want 'new'. What about a Mini?
the Yaris is 2290#
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Old 10-03-2011, 07:47 PM   #19
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The Yaris curb weight is 2,313. Can you believe it? Almost three hundred pounds more than very much the same car that it replaced!

I bought a 2005 Echo new, and liked it so much I seriously looked at the Yaris, but when I noticed it had worse fuel consumption numbers and yet the same engine, I couldn't believe it! The weight was the killer. I don't know what was going though Toyota's engineers' minds on that one.

The new Mini is all over the place from a low of 2,523 to over 2,700 for the Clubman. And resale is high on them.

I still say an Echo is a good bet. They are bulletproof service-wise, VERY good on fuel, cheap to buy, and comfortable for a small car.

While a Spitfire is a fun-looking car, have you ever actually driven one? Yikes! Uncomfortable, and you are again at the mercy of Lucas, the Prince of Darkness in terms of electronics. Unless you are a mechanic who has a hobby of maintaining British cars, leave that one at home.

Oh, and the "kerb" weight is still 1,900 lbs for a Spit.
I think I've ruled out British Motors. I recall the motor cycles of yester-year.
Can't get a tow plate for the mini. Something about no ACC with the steering wheel lock.
The Toyota Echo is 2030# (5-sp) 2080# auto
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Old 10-03-2011, 07:52 PM   #20
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Our Suzuki Samarai is a mountain goat but stay off the interstate, about 1800 lbs.

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That and the Geo tracker 2-drive are on my list, but most have been turned into mud'rs now and the one that I have seen are very pricey.
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Old 10-03-2011, 08:09 PM   #21
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Vintage British sportscar... only if you want to spend all your time TRYING to keep it running, chasing oil leaks, and don't plan on driving at night or in the rain. Has there ever been a worse carburetor than the SU?? and there's two of them.

Why do the British drink warm beer?? They have Lucas refrigerators.

Toyota Echo is a very, very smart little car.

1970 was the best VW bug. after 1970, came a few years of sketchy Superbeatles, but you could still get the "standard" body with a lower trim level (vinyl floor mat, no carpet). A clean bug will hold value, and they are more fun to drive than any Triumph... except for a '66 Bonneville or TT two wheeler.

Citroen 2CV...

Porsche 356...

BMW Isetta...
Had a '61 VW, know where one is now, if it hasn't sold. Would rather find a 62-65 VW (1600CC engine) before they got the ugly bumper, but are very proud of them. Karmann Ghia would be good, but all I've looked at are total rebuilds w/rusted everything or $20000 and more than likely rust under the body putty
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Old 10-03-2011, 08:16 PM   #22
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I have admired the Smart car by Mercedes. Stylish, safe, roomy, easy on the wallet and lite at1800 lb + or - . And did I say SAFE. Ron E.
I would be scared someone I know would see me in one of those! They don't get that good MPG! But I have seen them on tow bars too. They sell them in Okla City, but if it breaks you take it to Tulsa. No thanks for now.
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Saw a MH towing a Smart Car on a 4x8 landscaping trailer last year. Saw on the smart car website that they have a little trailer made just for the Smart car...
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Mel, you're right about the Samurai's being converted to mud'rs, and it has ruined them for road use. We found quite a few stock ones in good shape in Arizona. Got a nice one for $3k and it has been trouble free transportation for three years now.

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Mel, you're right about the Samurai's being converted to mud'rs, and it has ruined them for road use. We found quite a few stock ones in good shape in Arizona. Got a nice one for $3k and it has been trouble free transportation for three years now.

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Maybe I need to be looking for a campground job in Arizona this winter. Show up with my cat, my bicycle and no car.
I went for a bike ride today. Stopped by Downtown Okla City Mercedes dealer. Didn't drive one, I had my bicycle shoes on. Base model-$14K. They only come with a 5 speed auto, but, put it in 'N' and tow away. I don't want to have long hair, ear rings, tattoo a peace sign on my neck, become a veggie, never change my socks....plus the $14K isn't in my pocket (or my bank account) today so I rode my bike home.
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Hi Choctawmel,

In my opinion you probably couldn't do much better than the first generation Honda Insight. I've had a 2000 model with a five speed for a few years now, though I've never towed it, and I don't know what that might entail. The original Insight was built from 2000-2006. This was a "proof of concept" undertaking for Honda.

Airstreamers might like the fact that the car is ALL ALUMINUM. I believe it
Found an '01, but they don't offer a base plate, so they must not be towable 4 down
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The '83-'84 VW Rabbit GTI is right around the 2000# mark and is a blast to drove on a twisty mountain road. Old Rabbit diesels are often even lighter than the GTI and will easily average 45mpg. The lack the power, but still handle like a street legal go-kart. For the more sporting minded, a Scirocco is the same car with flashy sheet metal, but lacks the interior room and practicality of the Rabbit body. If you don't mind a project, a modern turbo engine in an old rabbit will put performance on par with a Porsche 911 for very little money. Nice examples are getting rare, but can often be bought cheap.
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