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crazeevw · 12-12-2011, 07:52 PM

So Steve, what kind of lighter weight pump are we going to all have to purchase next??? lol.
Honestly, yours looks in great condition, considering it's age, but guessing since it's protected under the the cabinetry, it's really not exposed to much. I've looked at mine under my bed (east/west configuration) and basically, AS was using the same type of pump 5 years later for my 1989.
Guess looking at the plumbing would be a good idea.
And HEY! New fuel pump installed today, no more gasoline fuel smell! Will still look at all of the fuel lines on my day off this week.
Thanks, Derek

Keyair · 12-12-2011, 07:56 PM

Decided it was Time to pull off the tail lamp cans and do a little 'Improvement".

Before with the stock galvanized can, and Incandecent bulb...

With the 102 SMD LED...
There are 120 SMD bulbs available too, but they are taller..
I think there is space!

Now... the Mad Scientist is back....
Prepped can, and sealed with Bulldog Primer..

Metal Primered..

Chrome Painted!

Does that make the can better?
You decide...

Both done...

crazeevw · 12-13-2011, 09:35 AM

Steve,
Been wondering what you were up to next. These look great! So great in fact, that I found the bulbs on eBay and ordered 4. Off to Home Depot after work, for primer and chrome paint. I'll have the 'cans' all prepped and ready for the bulbs when the arrive. Gotta figure out what to use for the 'scare' light sized back-up lamps that I have.
Thanks, Derek

Mike Leary · 12-13-2011, 10:02 AM

I'm getting sick of my phony trim, what's the fix?

Keyair · 12-13-2011, 10:27 AM

Which bulbs did you get Derek... the 102's or the 120's?

Be warned, I had the cut the wires to get my lamp cans off the rig, as there is no connector to remove that I could see.
As far as your reversing lights go... I have not found a 1156 bulb that is brighter than the 21W Incandecent... my tests show the 13 smd LEDs I have are dimmer.
I suggest, you clean the lenses, and maybe paint the cans to increase the reflectivity.. but lets face it, the reversing lights are on for a very brief moment, so the drain on the electricals is less of an issue.

Mike, when I stripped the paint off my mid section, I could see where it was originally like yours... I could see the pinstripe lines and brown residue..
I dont know what to tell you... strip and paint?

Keyair · 12-13-2011, 01:31 PM

I am not a Photographer, but tried to get some shots and measurements of the Modifications/LED upgrade I did...

Since the Camera adjusts its F-Stop and Shutter speeds for the available light, the picture LOOK similar, yet read the F-Stop and Shutter speeds for the real comparison!

I found this intersting, so thought I would post my findings..

In each set, there are 3 pictures:
Set 1, is with lower power Tail lamp element lit, I think the incandecent bulb is rated at 5W.

A/ Stock unpainted can and lens, with a new incandecent stock Bulb.
F2.8 and 1/125sec.

B/ Stock unpainted can and lens, with the 102 x SMD White LED.
F3.2 and 1/125sec.

C/ Chrome painted Can with LED 102 x SMD White LED.
F4.0 and 1/125

Set 2, is with the Brake Lamp element lit, I think it is 21W.

A/ Stock unpainted can and lens, with a new incandecent stock Bulb.
F4.0 and 1/160sec.

B/ Stock unpainted can and lens, with the 102 x SMD White LED.
F4.0 and 1/250sec.

C/ Chrome painted Can with LED 102 x SMD White LED.
F4.0 and 1/320sec.

Those of you that fully understand this... GOOD!
Those of you that are like me, and dont really...
I think...
More light= higher F-Stop number, wich is maximum of 4.0.
Once F4.0 is reached, the shutter speed increases to optimize light input..

The increase in light output from Incandecent bulb to LED is obvious to the eye, but the camera setting masks that in the pictures!
The increase in shutter speed by about 30% proves it.
Painting the can was also a great improvement with the shutter speed increasing about with the same bulb by another 30%.

Only thing left to do is to put them back on and take some shots from the rear with the stock lamps on the other side to see how much they look better!

navyspook · 12-13-2011, 02:03 PM

[QUOTE=Keyair;1082581]Which bulbs did you get Derek... the 102's or the 120's?

Be warned, I had the cut the wires to get my lamp cans off the rig, as there is no connector to remove that I could see./[QUOTE]

That's because they are designed (like cars) by engineers who know they will never have to repair what they had others build...

Keyair · 12-13-2011, 03:05 PM

Maybe...
There is connectors there, and I managed to put them thru the bodywork holes, but there was not enough slack to be assured of getting a good connection when i replace them, so will make another joint.

crazeevw · 12-13-2011, 07:35 PM

I got the 102's. And like you say, the back up 'scare' sized lights are on so little, guess I won't worry about them.
Got the primer and 'chrome' paint today, but had other errands after work, so didn't get home until almost dark.
Will do what I can after work tomorrow, and will tackle the rest on my day off on Thursday. Hopefully will have someone to help me on Thursday with the curbside awning. Arm at front is completely removed from awning shaft. Ahhhh, I LOVE my Airstream!
Thanks, Derek

alfalsetto · 12-13-2011, 08:04 PM

Your right about the engineers!!!

navyspook · 12-14-2011, 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Leary

I'm getting sick of my phony trim, what's the fix?

My genuine artificial simulated Aluminum trim is also cracking. I've seen other similar light units with leds, but they're about 1 inch short of filling the hole made by the stock units.

crazeevw · 12-14-2011, 07:10 PM

Steve,
Have you figured out what kind of bulbs to use in existing clearance lights, or are you going to replace with a dedicated LED clearance light?
Still patiently waiting for my LED bulb purchases to arrive. Some haven't left Hong Kong yet, so maybe 'Santa' will deliver them next weekend?
Thanks, Derek

Keyair · 12-14-2011, 07:19 PM

Derek,
My originals are the small T10 bayonette style.
I bought 10 new ones before i thought it thru, and they are not LED, they have the BA9S fitting. I still have not found 20 x suitable/affordable LED that shines sideways...

alfalsetto · 12-14-2011, 07:40 PM

Steve,
Can you post all the LED Lite Bulb Number it take to change over are Airstream MoHo? I think it well help a lot of people if you do.
Lit'l AL

crazeevw · 12-14-2011, 08:54 PM

Alfa,
LOTS of different bulbs ALL over the AS Classic moho. 1157's in the tail-lights, 1156 in the spots above sofa, T10's for clearance lights. These are all incandescent bulb numbers though.
I've ordered quite a few different bulbs in the past 2 weeks. Since they are all coming from Hong Kong, I'll be lucky if I get them before Christmas, much less before the New Year.
I'll post my results when they arrive.
Thanks, Derek

streamquest · 12-14-2011, 10:24 PM

I replaced front and rear clearance lights with self contained LED units that I got at the truck supply store. I think the cost was $5-$6 a piece. The nice thing about it was getting all new red/orange plastic lenses AND LEDs all in one shot. A few of the original lenses were cracked, chipped, stuck on with silicone, or missing altogether, so it solved a bunch of problems and they look great.

Charly

crazeevw · 12-15-2011, 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by streamquest

I replaced front and rear clearance lights with self contained LED units that I got at the truck supply store. I think the cost was $5-$6 a piece. The nice thing about it was getting all new red/orange plastic lenses AND LEDs all in one shot. A few of the original lenses were cracked, chipped, stuck on with silicone, or missing altogether, so it solved a bunch of problems and they look great.

Charly

Charly, which Truck Supply Store?
Thanks, Derek

Keyair · 12-15-2011, 09:05 AM

Hey everyone...

Found these T10 bayonette bulbs on Ebay, and have bought a set for "Testing"...
10 x bulbs for $10.28 with free shipping... on sale. Sale ends in 10 hours, and bulbs ship from CA...
Thats a buck a bulb for a 20smd LED...
NOT tested them, or seen yet, but dont want to be accused of not sharing what I thought was a deal!

Here...
10x T10 W5W 194 168 Car White 20 SMD LED Side Light Bulb 12V US | eBay

alfalsetto · 12-15-2011, 11:35 AM

Thanks I just order 20 bulbs for "Old Gertrude" 82 Airstream

Keyair · 12-15-2011, 06:56 PM

I gotta ask...
Not one comment, or opinion on my "LED vs Incandecent" test..
Was my F-stop and shutter speed test too much to grasp, or just plain too "Nutty Professor"?