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08-05-2016, 02:41 PM
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#361
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
, Kentucky
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Quote:
Originally Posted by martin300662
Whatever is easiest Brad. Seemed to be right on the seem so I thought patching would be an issue, but you know best.
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Just need to create a small step in the patch. Shouldn't be to difficult.
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08-05-2016, 03:26 PM
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#362
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
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08-06-2016, 05:23 AM
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#363
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3 Rivet Member
1977 20' Argosy 20
Arlington
, Texas
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 162
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Roof Leak Pictures from Yesterday
The first picture of round hole in the seam obviously wasn't there originally.
The original TV antenna was a Braund Skyliner. That antenna folded down against a bracket and then at location raised up with extended elements like a typical house outdoor TV antenna. The "mystery" hole may have been one of the holes where the antenna support bracket was riveted to the roof. After being raised, the interior handle "popped" down and rotated the antenna. The antenna lead wire was 300 ohm twin lead wire entering the coach under the small rectangular "patch". The lead wire came out inside the coach in a TV jack on the wall to the right of the kitchen window. The factory liberally sealed all of the antenna rivets with Vulken.
I noticed recently that Andy's Inland RV has shrouds for these older Armstrong AC units.
Gregg
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08-06-2016, 10:09 AM
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#364
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3 Rivet Member
1977 20' Argosy 20
Arlington
, Texas
Join Date: May 2015
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Argosy TV Antenna
Brad,
Attached is a bad picture of the Argosy TV Antenna. The mystery hole is not related to the bracket that I can tell
Gregg
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08-08-2016, 07:47 AM
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#365
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GWallace
Brad,
Attached is a bad picture of the Argosy TV Antenna. The mystery hole is not related to the bracket that I can tell
Attachment 268454
Gregg
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That antenna sure did require a lot of roof penetrations! I've got the two big ones patched now and will be looking at the support bracket mounting holes this week. I glanced at them and they appeared to be sealed but I'll give them a closer look soon.
Thanks for the pic!
Brad
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08-08-2016, 09:36 AM
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#366
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08-09-2016, 06:45 PM
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#367
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1974 20' Argosy 20
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Ok, need some help! Ernie finished up the left rear banana wrap and we were doing a test fit and found a definite interference with waste drain pipe.
The waste drain pipe seems to be up a good 2" or so higher than it should be where it comes in contact with the banana wrap. Looking the following picture of when Peanut first arrived at my place you can see whoever replace the broken valance used some thin aluminum sheeting that doesn't reach all the way to the bottom of the shell and the waste pipe is touching the aluminum.
Here's what the drain piping looks like right now.
My guess is whenever the banana wrap got busted up the waste piping suffered the same fate. So, can anyone provide me with some pictures from various angles of their waste drain piping and how it fits in relation to the banana wrap?
I'm going to have to do something to the waste piping but it sure would be handy to see how it's supposed to be!
Thanks!
Brad
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08-10-2016, 10:47 AM
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#368
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3 Rivet Member
1977 20' Argosy 20
Arlington
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Drain
Brad,
Attached is a picture of the Jelly Bean drain. There is an ABS cover over the drain plumbing.
Gregg
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08-10-2016, 10:52 AM
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#369
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3 Rivet Member
1977 20' Argosy 20
Arlington
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Drain Looking Aft
Another picture. The sewer pipe is something that I added years ago to store the drain hose outside. It goes in with a 90 degree turn above the drain plumbing and stops. There is just enough room to store the drain hose there instead of some place inside.
Gregg
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08-10-2016, 11:28 AM
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#370
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Keen amature
1975 20' Argosy 20
Chestfield
, Kent
Join Date: Mar 2014
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Looks like it has been replaced from the gate valves out.
When I removed the external pull handles (for the gate valves), one was not attached, and it looked like the two small retaining screws had pulled out....maybe related to the banana wrap getting damaged?
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08-10-2016, 12:17 PM
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#371
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Keen amature
1975 20' Argosy 20
Chestfield
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The parts donor (which donated the banana wrap) definitely has the outlet lower.
But the manual layout doesn't show any down turns in the pipework.
So that seems to suggest the tanks or the outlets from the tanks are higher?????
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08-10-2016, 01:06 PM
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#372
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GWallace
Another picture. The sewer pipe is something that I added years ago to store the drain hose outside. It goes in with a 90 degree turn above the drain plumbing and stops. There is just enough room to store the drain hose there instead of some place inside.
Attachment 268734
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Gregg, thanks for the pictures, they help a lot. I like your idea for drain hose storage.
Brad
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08-10-2016, 01:15 PM
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1974 20' Argosy 20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by martin300662
The parts donor (which donated the banana wrap) definitely has the outlet lower.
But the manual layout doesn't show any down turns in the pipework.
So that seems to suggest the tanks or the outlets from the tanks are higher?????
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Martin, I was looking at that piping diagram last night expecting to see some down turns in the pipe where it ran under the banana wrap and was surprised when I didn't. There has definitely been some rework to Peanut's waste pipes. I think other than time I doubt that it will be difficult to make the needed changes.
With luck all that would be needed is a 45 degree fitting at the end of the wye. That might provide enough clearance for the banana wrap.
If the ABS housing from the donor that covers the pipes is still laying around you might latch onto it. It may not fit Peanut right now but later it could possibly be fitted.
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08-10-2016, 02:11 PM
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#374
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3 Rivet Member
1977 20' Argosy 20
Arlington
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Drains
Brad and Martin,
What I remember from the occasions that I have had the drain cover off is the diagram in the manual appears correct except that each joint was slightly mis-aligned as they were glued. In the end the glued up pipe configuration angled downward like in the first photo that I posted.
Gregg
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08-10-2016, 02:15 PM
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#375
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GWallace
Brad and Martin,
What I remember from the occasions that I have had the drain cover off is the diagram in the manual appears correct except that each joint was slightly mis-aligned as they were glued. In the end the glued up pipe configuration angled downward like in the first photo that I posted.
Gregg
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In other words an intentionally sloppy install
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08-10-2016, 08:53 PM
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#376
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3 Rivet Member
1977 20' Argosy 20
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An intentional sloppily installation is what it looks like.
The vertical vent pipe in the diagram penetrates the roof in the right rear. At the roof penetration, the vent pipe is sealed by a rubber gasket on the outside surface of the roof. As the rubber degrades with age, it can leak water down the vent pipe into the rear closet. You can inspect the vent gasket by removing the vent cover and inspecting the gasket.
Out of ignorance the drain diagram is nicely detailed. I don't have any coach service information. What is the source of that diagram?
Gregg
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08-11-2016, 12:47 AM
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#377
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Keen amature
1975 20' Argosy 20
Chestfield
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GWallace
An intentional sloppily installation is what it looks like.
The vertical vent pipe in the diagram penetrates the roof in the right rear. At the roof penetration, the vent pipe is sealed by a rubber gasket on the outside surface of the roof. As the rubber degrades with age, it can leak water down the vent pipe into the rear closet. You can inspect the vent gasket by removing the vent cover and inspecting the gasket.
Out of ignorance the drain diagram is nicely detailed. I don't have any coach service information. What is the source of that diagram?
Gregg
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The diagram is from the owners manual.
In my opinion, the 1977/78 Owners Manual is one of the best that was produced, but even a low resolution scan is 20mb and too large to attach here.
I will email you a link to my Google Drive Gregg so you can either have a read or download your own copy.
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08-12-2016, 12:53 PM
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#378
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
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08-12-2016, 01:18 PM
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#379
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Keen amature
1975 20' Argosy 20
Chestfield
, Kent
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bkahler
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Excellent Brad, looking great!
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08-14-2016, 12:29 PM
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#380
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
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Martin has opted to ditch the existing doghouse cover and switch to the same style used in Bella (i.e. 74-76 Argosies). Since I converted my 74 doghouse cover to the style used in the later Classics that meant I had my old one as a spare.
Bella.
Peanut style (this is not Peanut!)
I've prepped the opening by cutting out the excess sheet from the sides of the original doghouse frame.
Hopefully sometime this week the fab shop can bend up some sheet metal for the side and back walls to frame in the opening properly.
On a slightly different topic, yesterday I rough cut the new flooring sections to size. I don't want to install the new flooring until the doghouse opening is finished.
Today I managed to replace the rusted and cracked transmission cooling lines. Since I changed to a 4L80e transmission my original cooling lines were no longer needed. It wasn't exactly a pleasant experience removing the old tubes and installing the new tubes but the job is done
The only remaining task before trying to start the engine is the power steering reservoir needs to be mounted to the firewall and a new hose ran from the reservoir to the power steering pump. The hose should be in this week so with luck Peanut might be running next weekend or shortly there after.
Brad
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