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08-27-2016, 02:13 PM
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#401
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
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1974 20' Argosy Motor Home
1975 24' Argosy Motor Home
1974 31' Excella trailer (parting out, as of 4/1/2015 I have wheels & windows left to sell)
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08-28-2016, 01:01 AM
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Keen amature
1975 20' Argosy 20
Chestfield
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Join Date: Mar 2014
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Looks like the old 454 has decent oil pressure as well!
The shop in Florida supposedly added $20 of gas (well that's what I got charged for) so maybe the gas gauge is working as well.
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08-28-2016, 05:37 AM
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
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The engine actually sounded pretty good. The choke functioned like it was supposed to as did the idle kick down with the pedal once it had warmed up.
Next task is to fill and bleed the brakes.
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08-28-2016, 09:08 AM
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3 Rivet Member
1977 20' Argosy 20
Arlington
, Texas
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 162
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Brad,
I had the same power steering hose fit issues as you. I searched everywhere and the replacements are made from the wrong pattern that doesn't work. I used the old hose tubing for the Hydroboost end and a new hose end for the pump. A hose fabrication place braised flare fittings on the tubes and fabricated a rubber hose with flare ends. That configuration fits nicely and in the future a replacement rubber hose can be fabricated with the correct flare fittings for replacement.
Gregg
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08-28-2016, 09:21 AM
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3 Rivet Member
1977 20' Argosy 20
Arlington
, Texas
Join Date: May 2015
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I think that I have resolved my AC issues. I still have the 20 X 15 condenser. I moved the oil cooler behind the condenser and added an electric fan mounted directly to the condenser. The temperatures and especially the pressures look a lot better. I will keep the double stack condenser or larger condenser as options. But running for 20 to 30 mins in the driveway, everything appears to OK in 95 degree weather.
By the way the heater control labels are not correct for Peanut.
Fan: OFF, LOW, HIGH
Air Slider: left FLOOR, center FLOOR/DEF, right DEF
Temperature Slider: left OFF or COLD, right HOT
Gregg
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08-28-2016, 11:01 AM
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
, Kentucky
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 9,115
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GWallace
Brad,
I had the same power steering hose fit issues as you. I searched everywhere and the replacements are made from the wrong pattern that doesn't work. I used the old hose tubing for the Hydroboost end and a new hose end for the pump. A hose fabrication place braised flare fittings on the tubes and fabricated a rubber hose with flare ends. That configuration fits nicely and in the future a replacement rubber hose can be fabricated with the correct flare fittings for replacement.
Gregg
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Gregg, I tried using the compression style of fitting with the original pipe sections that Napa recommended but it didn't hold. I think the original pipe was to corroded/pitted to hold well enough under pressure. Of course it's also possible I didn't assemble it right but the bottom line is it didn't work!
I ended up using the Gates 355170 hose. I had to tweak the bends a little and then cut one end and add a inverted flare coupling. I'm pretty sure it will hold just fine.
It's just annoying that no one sells the correct replacement anymore. Talk about planned obsolescence
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1974 20' Argosy Motor Home
1975 24' Argosy Motor Home
1974 31' Excella trailer (parting out, as of 4/1/2015 I have wheels & windows left to sell)
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08-28-2016, 11:04 AM
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
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Join Date: Jan 2003
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GWallace
I think that I have resolved my AC issues. I still have the 20 X 15 condenser. I moved the oil cooler behind the condenser and added an electric fan mounted directly to the condenser. The temperatures and especially the pressures look a lot better. I will keep the double stack condenser or larger condenser as options. But running for 20 to 30 mins in the driveway, everything appears to OK in 95 degree weather.
Attachment 270199
By the way the heater control labels are not correct for Peanut.
Fan: OFF, LOW, HIGH
Air Slider: left FLOOR, center FLOOR/DEF, right DEF
Temperature Slider: left OFF or COLD, right HOT
Gregg
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That's good news about your AC working better
How did you mount the oil cooler to the radiator?
Of course I'm not surprised at all that Peanut's heater control labels aren't right. That just seems like something Airstream would do
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1974 20' Argosy Motor Home
1975 24' Argosy Motor Home
1974 31' Excella trailer (parting out, as of 4/1/2015 I have wheels & windows left to sell)
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08-28-2016, 02:05 PM
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3 Rivet Member
1977 20' Argosy 20
Arlington
, Texas
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I used two pieces of aluminum angle from the local hardware store. The angles are mounted to the original holes for the oil cooler brackets. Then I used some bolts with 1.5 inch spacers to place the condenser out in front of the oil cooler.
There is about 1.5 inches between the radiator and oil cooler. Then there is also about 1.5 inches between the condenser and the oil cooler.
Gregg
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08-28-2016, 03:27 PM
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
, Kentucky
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Gregg, I'm really looking forward to hearing what the results are after you take it for a test drive in this heat. My only concern would be the distances between the various components. If I remember correctly manufacturers like to keep the condenser and various coolers close together to improve airflow through all of the components.
Are you controlling the electric fan via the trinary switch?
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1974 20' Argosy Motor Home
1975 24' Argosy Motor Home
1974 31' Excella trailer (parting out, as of 4/1/2015 I have wheels & windows left to sell)
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08-28-2016, 08:01 PM
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#410
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2 Rivet Member
1977 28' Argosy 28
dexter
, New York
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 59
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Would moving the plate and overflow tank out of the center of it all help any ?
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08-29-2016, 07:37 AM
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jonesy 1
Would moving the plate and overflow tank out of the center of it all help any ?
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Peanut had the same plate and tank installed in front of the radiator. I removed it so I could pull the radiator for repairs. Now that the radiator is back in place I'm actually looking for a different place to locate the radiator overflow tank. It doesn't make sense to me why Airstream would hang something down in front of the radiator like that.
Maybe when these things were new they didn't overheat!
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1974 20' Argosy Motor Home
1975 24' Argosy Motor Home
1974 31' Excella trailer (parting out, as of 4/1/2015 I have wheels & windows left to sell)
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08-29-2016, 08:52 AM
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3 Rivet Member
1977 20' Argosy 20
Arlington
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When these units were new they didn't overheat. I could let the engine idle for long periods and no overheat at all.
These pictures are all with the front engine cover removed. The overflow tank is just behind the front engine cover when it is closed. The replacement overflow tank is not quite as large as the original and I am considering reducing the size of the plate to which the tank is mounted. So far I haven't had any overheating issues with the engine. My radiator was recored in 1993 and then my motorhome went into storage for 20 years. During that time I changed the antifreeze several times and started and ran the engine on a regular basis. When I had the radiator out last year, I looked inside the best that I could and everything looked clean and new.
Gregg
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08-29-2016, 09:08 AM
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3 Rivet Member
1977 20' Argosy 20
Arlington
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On the spacing of the condenser, oil cooler, and radiator. I understand that manufacturers prefer 3/8 to 1/2 inch spacing. However the original condenser was 1 to 1 1/2 inches from the radiator and the oil cooler was 1 1/2 inches in front of the condenser. The configuration that I have now was quick and easy with hardware available from the local Ace. Different length spacers can adjust the space between the condenser, oil cooler, and radiator which I can do later if needed. I plan on monitoring the temperatures and AC pressures for a while with the ultimate goal of being able to idle in 100+ degree weather without overheating. Highway speeds also will require some watching.
For the time being the fan comes on with the AC and stays on as long as the AC is on. I can easily change the fan to be controlled by a Trinary switch or by a temperature sensing switch.
Gregg
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08-29-2016, 12:34 PM
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
, Kentucky
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Gregg, that's all good information.
I think the thing that surprised me the most was the fact that after 15 to 20 minutes of idling in 90+ degree temps Peanut's temperature at the thermostat housing didn't get above 163 degrees.
Now, I had the doghouse cover open and the air conditioner isn't ready to use yet so there wasn't any real load but I still find it surprising that the thermostat still hadn't opened!
Brad
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1974 20' Argosy Motor Home
1975 24' Argosy Motor Home
1974 31' Excella trailer (parting out, as of 4/1/2015 I have wheels & windows left to sell)
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08-29-2016, 02:41 PM
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3 Rivet Member
1977 20' Argosy 20
Arlington
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Last fall I had two issues. One was a thermostat stuck open. The other was the fan clutch was stuck for full fan. In cooler weather (40 degrees or so), the engine just would not warm up enough to get any heat out of the heater. I replaced the thermostat and suddenly the engine warmed up like it should and the heater started working really well. Then in May when I drove to Austin and back I discovered that the noisy fan clutch needed replacement. With a new fan clutch installed, the noise went away and the AC issues started.
Gregg
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08-29-2016, 05:58 PM
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
, Kentucky
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Gregg, based on your description it would appear that with the size condenser you have in Jelly Bean you need more airflow across the condenser. It will be great if the electric fan solves the problem!
Brad
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1974 20' Argosy Motor Home
1975 24' Argosy Motor Home
1974 31' Excella trailer (parting out, as of 4/1/2015 I have wheels & windows left to sell)
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08-30-2016, 12:04 PM
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#417
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
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1974 20' Argosy Motor Home
1975 24' Argosy Motor Home
1974 31' Excella trailer (parting out, as of 4/1/2015 I have wheels & windows left to sell)
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08-30-2016, 05:47 PM
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#418
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
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I decided not to mow this evening.......
Even with the drop down at the top of the box the battery seems to fit nicely. Just need to figure out how to hold the batteries in place.
Test fit inside the coach. I had to trim the inner wall opening to allow room for the box to fit up against the cast aluminum frame on the outside.
This is about as far as I can go with the battery box until the new wood floor is in stalled.
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1974 20' Argosy Motor Home
1975 24' Argosy Motor Home
1974 31' Excella trailer (parting out, as of 4/1/2015 I have wheels & windows left to sell)
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08-31-2016, 02:37 PM
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Keen amature
1975 20' Argosy 20
Chestfield
, Kent
Join Date: Mar 2014
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Fits nice Brad.
Does the drop down also fill the previous gap in the inner skin above the batteries?
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08-31-2016, 06:04 PM
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Rivet Master
1974 20' Argosy 20
Richmond
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I didn't drop the top of the box down until the box was past the wall. The box actually extends fully into the cockpit by about 1" before it drops down for seat clearance. I think I still need to do a little bit of trimming before I'm satisfied with the fit. There will still need to be some sort of trim on the inside wall around the box once everything is in place.
I've set it up so the complete box assembly slides in from the outside.
Still need to get two 8" straps for door support hangers and caulk around the seam where the box meets the frame with vulkem. The assembly can't be set in place until the wood floor is installed.
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1974 31' Excella trailer (parting out, as of 4/1/2015 I have wheels & windows left to sell)
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