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Old 04-06-2015, 12:03 PM   #113
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Hi Fishizzle, I need to start with a word of caution.

Literally all the internal cabinetry was hand made from scratch. This been very labor intensive and much more expensive, and taken a lot longer than even using standard Airstream cabinetry. For example, on your 28ft if you could simply use all the cabinets from a 25ft modern trailer it is much more cost effective. Obviously we chose to go the custom route (and even now looking back wouldn't change that), because we have a very specific use in mind.

Our preference was to make it feel big inside even though it isn't; the interior skins are all aluminum (the shop ordered panels from the current Airstream range and made them fit), but we struggled to find a interior wood finish that we like (we wanted maple or light beech). In the end the shop had a company make a short run (10 8'x4' panels) of ply specifically with the timber surface we wanted on one side and white laminate on the other. Just about all of that got used so there is approx 300sqft of ply used in the interior.

Not sure I under you second question, could you please expand a little?

The wet room setup is a collection of parts, all of which are available, but are a pain to order as the cassette toilet, and drop down sink are only available in Europe. They can be imported directly (we simply purchased in Europe, and had them shipped) but can be bought via the guys at EuroCampers.com who are US agents for REIMO campervans who are one of the largest European RV parts suppliers. Again a word of caution, think carefully before going with a cassette toilet, we plan to use our Argosy in the US for a few years then take it back to UK to tour Europe; there camp grounds are not 'black tank friendly' and most are setup for cassette toilet disposal. The shower pan with the raised step is a standard part and available from Pelland, Panther, PPL and others (we got ours from Pelland). The overal concept is the same as used by 'Jim the Truck' in his conversion (JIM THE TRUCK: The Water Closet).

Lots of other folks have re-modeled there motorhomes so hopefully they will jump in a comment.

Hope this helps, Martin

Ok great information!

More specifically, The aluminum panels. Did you get those through Airstream or another vendor? How thick are those and what size sheets do those come in? Approximate price per sheet?

Question 2. Sorry I should have been more specific. I was asking if the cabinets are still in your "Donor" Argosy? I am missing the bottom door that slides on my 28'. Also a couple of my running lights on the front "yellow" are missing as 2 are missing in the back "Red". Are those available on your donor? Does anyone know where I can find them if not?
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Old 04-06-2015, 01:44 PM   #114
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Yes Fishizzle the panels used in mine were all from Airstream but in reality only the end cap was pre-shaped, the rest were just aluminum sheet (available from Out-of-doors Mart and others), but installed with more than a small amount of skill. Having the materials is one thing, having the ability is what gives the quality of finish.

The end caps are two corners, pre-bent and then a straight strip. But I believe Colin Hyde (https://sites.google.com/a/colinhyde...ions.com/home/) (member ColinH on the forums) makes and sells end cap sets more like the traditional multi-segment trailers - maybe that would fit?

So far we have only taken the dash, and windows from the donor so the cabinets should still be in there - I will check with the shop, but I wouldn't bother with used running lights, they are available from VTS, Inland RV, Silver Trailer Supply or Out-of-doors Mart.....or Airstream. But there are also LED versions from Fastenal or even HarborFreight! I liked the heavy cast aluminum bases that were originally fitted, so I had the shop drill and tap them all to take the new LEDs/lens, rather than changing them totally.
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Old 04-07-2015, 02:57 PM   #115
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So.....I'm back to the subject of tires.....

The original equipment 8.75/16.5 wheels/tires had a circumference (C) of 106.76", but somewhere in it's previous life a set of 225/75R/16 on 16" rims got installed on my 20ft. These have an C of 91.96", or, look at it another way, increased the revs at a given speed by around 15%, as well as looking crazily small in the wheel wells.

The later Argosy (i.e. my donor) went to 8/19.5 wheels/tires which have an C around 111.47" which would drop the revs by around 5%. But, as mentioned on the forums the 8/19.5 tires are getting rare, and rare = expensive. So even though this was my 'Plan A', I am now discounting this option.

It seems the best/most straight forward choice is to fit a set on 235/85R/16 tires on the current rims (I already have 4 spares as well), which will at least get the revs back to 94% of the original and have a 7.9" sidewall height (vs the original 8.75"). Even if I replaced both the options I already have with a set of 17" wheels from a newer (but still using the 8 x 6.5 PCD bolt pattern) dually, the most common tire is a 235/70R17 which is almost identical C to the 235/85R/16 so seems a pointless exercise - or am I missing something? Especially as the LT235/85R/16 can carry 3000lb each, are class E load rated and available as low rolling resistance and are available just about everywhere?
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Ignore my ramblings....turns out the very first line of my message was wrong (wrong information from a tire supplier website!) and the original 8.75/16.5 tires are 29.5" dia not 33.5", so actually the LT235/85R/16 tires are like having a 7.5% over-drive vs originals.

Going to give them a go!
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Old 04-10-2015, 06:46 PM   #117
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Pretty slick solution Martin.
All mounted up and working great

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Old 04-12-2015, 02:44 PM   #118
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New dash A/C from Classic Auto Air going in, including relocating heater box from under then bonnet to under the dash, all new wiring, ducting and outlets. Means the dash had to go back in temporarily (still needs painting in final color).



Once that is finished the new captains chairs can go in. Aligned with the theme of the build these are 'multi-purpose', being able to be normal driver/passenger seats, rotate to be recliners, or collapse (headrests fold in, seat back folds on the seat) to be provide a usable surface when camping (the photo makes it look inclined, but it is flat); all thanks to the VW Audi research budget as they are new 'take outs' out of a VW Routan.



Then the dynomat and carpet can go in.....inching closer.
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And a first view of the cab area nearing completion. Aluminum skins extending around the driver and passenger sides with maple trims to match the wood work in the cab.



With panels easily removed for when (not going to say if) we need to get to the dreaded door hinges later, or if we want to change the existing mirrors. The master switch and interior/exterior light controls are also to hand inside the door (would have preferred them on the 'other' side of the door but there was no room with the wetroom location).
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I really enjoy watching the progress of your project.
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Old 04-15-2015, 07:31 AM   #121
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Thanks Vycan. I think we are the most 'dangerous' stage of the project in terms of having the work done at a shop. All the relatively small things that need to be buttoned up take a lot of time, but I don't want the guys to rush and cut corners (considering the care and detail they have put in so far) but equally we could easily add 200-300 hours of build time in trying to ensure everything is 'perfect'.

So, the plan is to take everything worked and complete, use it for a few trips, then it can go back in and have any small things done we want changed, and to get the body work done....means for a few months it will not look pretty on the outside but it seems the better plan for the long haul.

A good example of this is the seats, they are high quality automotive seats but have way less padding/support than a true captains seat - if we can live with them fine, if not we will change out to some regular captains seats. Likewise I already bought 3 sets of matching seat mounts, 3.5", 7" (the ones we are using) and 10" high in case we want to change later - it's a ten bolt per seat change if we want to lower or raise. But in both cases the current choice is to give the maximum range of functionality, if when we start to use it, it turns out we don't need that functionality, we can drop it to allow improvements in offer areas.
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I really don't want to provoke the Airstream Gods, but the shop called today to say they hope to have everything buttoned up and have her/him/it (we haven't decide gender yet) back on the road early next week. It wont be 100% done as we are still waiting on the aluminum trims/close-outs for the Vista View windows to be custom made, and they haven't even started the paint and body, but at least we can start doing some shake down trips, even if it is using some drapery etc. Can't wait....but actually I will have to, as I am working in Portugal next week, not flying back until Friday and then heading straight to Chilly Man....with or without our Argosy.
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Fingers crossed!! But with or without, I'm looking forward to meeting you at Chilly Man!
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Will definitely be without the motorhome...just heard there is an issue with the seats. Looks like I have provoked the Airstream Gods and they have responded with at least a six week delay whilst some different seats are made....oh joy
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I really don't want to provoke the Airstream Gods, but the shop called today to say they hope to have everything buttoned up and have her/him/it (we haven't decide gender yet) back on the road early next week.
What was that??? Come again???

When will we ever learn. Murphy has nothing on the wing pulling playfullness of Thor and Alumunitus.

Amazing to see it coming together.......finally. Goodluck and remember before you set out for the inaugural journey, sacrificing one or two (better safe than sorry) virgins to mollify those buggers may be helpful.

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