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Old 11-02-2016, 05:01 PM   #801
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Well, Bella goes to the dock tomorrow to start her journey to the UK next week.

Many thanks to Joseph Migliore (JM2) for dropping her off....but also for running her through the local hand car wash so that she looks smart for the trip!









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Old 11-02-2016, 05:15 PM   #802
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Bella is certainly living up to her name! Bon voyage!
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Old 11-02-2016, 05:19 PM   #803
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Best wishes for a safe and uneventful trip. Thoroughly enjoyed the story of how she was built. Thanks for sharing.
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Old 11-06-2016, 05:23 AM   #804
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Hmmm...Bella is still sitting in NJ awaiting shipping, but they have started to process the paperwork, and I may have an issue.

Part of the timing of Bella's shipping was based on the UK having a 'over 40 year old, historic vehicle' class for registration. Bella is a 1975 (by both the Chevy and Airstream VIN), and by my math she is 41 years old. Well not according to the DVLA (the UK version of DMV). According them, a vehicle has to be manufactured before 1975 to be historic, even though it is for vehicles 40 years or older. The date is a rolling number, so (in theory) once we get into 2017 the rule will be updated to, 'manufactured before 1976' and Bella will be OK.....apart for, in typical Government bureaucracy, 2017 doesn't start until 1st April 2017. So it looks like Bella is going to be trailered from the port and not back on the road until the spring.

Got to love 'officialdom'
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Old 11-06-2016, 06:45 AM   #805
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Wow that really sucks

THAT is bureaucracy at it's finest.
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Old 11-06-2016, 02:22 PM   #806
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Martin's Argosy rebuild thread

Wow I am sorry to hear that Martin. I know you've been working hard to get her ready and we're looking forward to getting her to the UK.

It is even more frustrating it takes them so long to do ANYTHING. You would think once the new year rolled over you would be good by their rules, even without the official "updated" changes to the laws. I guess there is some small hope they update the rule before April.

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Old 11-06-2016, 06:09 PM   #807
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Oh for Pete's sake! 😡
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Old 11-06-2016, 11:46 PM   #808
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Wow - that really sucks! Sorry to hear about some stupid bureaucracy in the UK. :-(
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Old 11-08-2016, 07:05 AM   #809
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Martin,

What is the benefit of the historic vehicle?
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Old 11-08-2016, 09:54 AM   #810
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What is the benefit of the historic vehicle?
Apart from a cooler looking license plate (black and silver, rather than reflective), the main advantage is historic vehicles don't pay the annual road tax. That is around $350 a year for vehicles with larger (by UK standards) engines.
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Old 11-30-2016, 05:28 AM   #811
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I just received the official notification....Bella has cleared customs and now is officially in the UK; just 300miles away!

Suppose I better make a plan to go pick her up and drop her off at LAS Motorhomes to get the lights changed to allow her to take the UK MOT (the equivalent of the State Inspection).

First pieces of info to share....UK insurance is approx 3 times the rate in US, and my US policy (LM) will not cover for use oversees. So that is one nasty hit to the pocket. Also the wait time for Good Sam assistance could be quite a while and the 'local' roadside assistance guys (AA or RAC) don't appear to cover 'old' or 'motorhomes', so need specific/specialist/expensive roadside assistance coverage.
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Old 11-30-2016, 07:17 AM   #812
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Hmm....maybe you should have stayed in the U.S.
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Old 11-30-2016, 08:28 AM   #813
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Lol @ Brad. Congrats on getting her to the UK! So you didn't have to wait as long as you initially thought. That is great news I bet . Were you planning on going up there for the Xmas holidays, if so maybe you can wait until then to fly. I am sure the tickets aren't cheap!

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Boy Martin, quite the jouney from when you started on Bella and now shes reached the UK. Cant wait to see your travels there...(hopefully youll give us a look now and then). Bella should be the perfect size for travel there I assume. Its been so much fun for all of us to follow along as youve taken Bella from a vision to where youre at now. Getting to meet you and see Bella in person at the get together at Penn Wood was a real treat. Hats off to ya and wishing you good luck and safe travels over there!!
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Old 12-05-2016, 03:11 PM   #815
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We have just walked back in the door after an intense but very fruitful 36 hours.

Yesterday afternoon we did the 300mile trip up to Liverpool, ready to pick up Bella this morning. It took a while to get clearance to actually go in (its a little like going air-side at an airport, in so much as you pass through ID checks akin to passport control), but then you are negotiating a swarm of mobile container pickers (huge mobile cranes able the pick, lift, stack 40ft containers like they are trays of groceries). On getting to the 'heavy-lift' compound we see Bella parked right next to the security cabin, and I can't say enough good things about the security at the docks, they had taken a liking to her and so decided to keep watch 24/7 until we arrived. As soon we got there, 3 or 4 guards came swarming out because they had been dying to look inside, but not 'allowed' without owners permission.

We then hit the only 'blip' in the whole trip. I went to start her....nothing...battery was flat. It's a nearly new Everlast and we have had no issues before, but the clue was the keys were in the ignition, turned to 'accessory' so the stereo but also the dash USB ports have been live, until the battery died that is. The security guys call up the loading foreman and he arrives with the jump cables, and Bella fires start up. She is not running evenly and soon stalls, we fire her up again, same result. By this point the loading foreman is apologizing because he drove her off the RoRo ship, and had to jump her then, I explained it was just that the keys had been left in the ignition etc. But also the noise of Bella starting has been heard across the port, and the security guards are getting radio calls from the other guards (now manning other stations) that have kept watch on her whilst she cleared customs/awaited collection, and a crowd was forming.

It was at this very point I realized on very bad decision I made, about 2 months ago....after a debate with the shop installing the ELECTRIC fuel pump, we decided to remove the mechanical one. Well an electric fuel pump does not run with a flat battery and it now appears that it was taking out more 'juice' than the alternator was putting in, hence Bella was stalling. At the time of the debate I couldn't find one good reason to keep both pumps, I do now and for this reason alone will be refitting the mechanical one as well as the electric.

So by now it is around midday, Bella is running but there really isn't enough in the battery to drive the fuel pump, so she is running uneven - she is also almost out of gas (you have to empty the fuel tank in order to ship). If I drive her to the gas station, I will have to jump start her again, and although the loading foreman has loaned us the jump cables to get Bella going, he isn't going to donate them!

We decided to take 'option 1', drive Bella out of the high security area (which would also allow for a AA roadside recovery if needed), then shut her down and drive to the nearest garage for jump cables and a couple of cans of gas.

Gas on-board, cables connected, Bella fires straight up, and after sitting for about 15mins with our little Mercedes A Series alternator/battery keeping Bella on life support, I pull the cables and Bella, runs uneven but at least keeps running.

To get from Liverpool Docks to the motorway, is approx 10miles of city center driving; not fun in a LHD motorhome, especially one that is doing its best to stall at each light. However, after ignoring all the safety notices and fueling up without turning off the engine, and by trying to keep Bella rolling (slowing well before the lights and trying to time my approach to the light changing), we made it out to the motorway - me driving Bella, Denise following along in the Mercedes ready with the jumper cables in case Bella decided not to play ball.

As the battery started to recover, so Bella ran smoother and by about 30miles into the journey, we could relax a little. By now we were about 4 hours behind schedule and the guys at the RV shop started to call...'you are coming aren't you' was the first call, 'we close at 5' the next. We will be there was the answer to both, as Bella (with Gear Vendors doing its thing) was liking the 70mph UK motorways better than the 55mph highways in the US, especially as the 'goods vehicles' are limited to 55mph and therefore most 'lorries' stay over to the left (slow lane). We had the second lane to ourselves, at about 15mph faster than the trucks, about also about 15mph slower than the reps, trying to get between sales calls - we seemed to be the only people actually doing the speed limit!

Took under 3 hours to do the 150miles to the RV shop, and we made it with an hour to spare.



The guys there will change the lights to be UK road legal, and check everything is ready of the MOT test (the UK's equivalent to the state inspection), but she is in good company; in the shop being worked on was a Skydeck, parked outside was a 345 and a vintage Great West Van as well as a line of other large A Class MH.

I reverted to driving the little Mercedes for the rest of the trip home (about another 150miles), and boy did it feel strange to be driving something that is about as long as Bella is wide, but also flipping back to right hand drive....Denise would probably slept the whole way if I wasn't clipping the darn rumble strips because the steering wheel was on the wrong side!!!!!
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Old 12-05-2016, 03:54 PM   #816
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Thanks for sharing the story! Congratulations, you are almost there.
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Old 12-05-2016, 04:07 PM   #817
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Awesome!!

It's great to hear that she was so well looked after while she was out your control. I don't know that I would want to drive a larger vehicle with the steering wheel on the wrong side of the road. Any thoughts of switching the steering wheel to the right side?

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Old 12-13-2016, 06:29 PM   #818
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Martin, I enjoy reading your tales. Your positive attitude, and tenacity in the face of obstacles. Nicely done!
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Old 12-15-2016, 06:43 AM   #819
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Martin, I enjoy reading your tales. Your positive attitude, and tenacity in the face of obstacles. Nicely done!
Thanks guys.

Sometimes I think anyone thinking of buying one of this beasts needs to first take some sort of aptitude test, just to ensure you have the mental resilience to tolerate the experience!!!!!
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I agree with Martin! Hopefully I am stable enough to deal with mine. :/
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