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Old 11-17-2015, 11:05 AM   #421
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Could we get the hole location as well?

This is the unit Joseph got for his 77 (I think) 20ft, and I purchased for mine - according to the mechanic I have neither the extra hole on the crank arm, or the hole in the crossmember, so will need both to fit a dampner.

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Old 11-17-2015, 11:45 AM   #422
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The hole location would help but can be determined once the stabilizer is connected to the bell crank.

One thing I do remember is there are slight differences in how the front frame cross member is fastened to the main chassis rails between the later models and the early Argosies. I think that's when I realized I needed the distance I mentioned previously. If the front cross member is closer or farther away the stabilizer length could become an issue.
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Well, when I get a break in the rain Ill go out and take some measrements. Should be here soon
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Old 11-17-2015, 01:09 PM   #424
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Ok,
1. From center of mounting hole on bell crank to attachment on front cross member 19 5/8"
2. From frame rail to center of stabilizer is 6 1/8". As you can see in the pic, the frame rail attaches to the cross member with a curved plate so impossible to get measurement from the frame rail to the mounting hole. So I came back a few inches to clear the curved joint plate and took measurement to center of stabilizer.
3. Measurement from outside end of cross member to center of mounting hole for stabilizer 13"
4. Measurement from bottom of cross member to center of mounting hole for stabilizer is 1 3/4"

All measurements to mounting holes were taken to center of hole


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Ok,
1. From center of mounting hole on bell crank to attachment on front cross member 19 5/8"
2. From frame rail to center of stabilizer is 6 1/8". As you can see in the pic, the frame rail attaches to the cross member with a curved plate so impossible to get measurement from the frame rail to the mounting hole. So I came back a few inches to clear the curved joint plate and took measurement to center of stabilizer.
3. Measurement from outside end of cross member to center of mounting hole for stabilizer 13"
4. Measurement from bottom of cross member to center of mounting hole for stabilizer is 1 3/4"

All measurements to mounting holes were taken to center of hole


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Cool!

Thanks!
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Ok,
1. From center of mounting hole on bell crank to attachment on front cross member 19 5/8"
2. From frame rail to center of stabilizer is 6 1/8". As you can see in the pic, the frame rail attaches to the cross member with a curved plate so impossible to get measurement from the frame rail to the mounting hole. So I came back a few inches to clear the curved joint plate and took measurement to center of stabilizer.
3. Measurement from outside end of cross member to center of mounting hole for stabilizer 13"
4. Measurement from bottom of cross member to center of mounting hole for stabilizer is 1 3/4"

All measurements to mounting holes were taken to center of hole
Just got done taking some measurements from my Argosy.

For measurement (1) above I have 18-5/8". For measurement (2) I have 6-1/2". The numbers are obviously different but I think I know the reason for that.

My front end has never been aligned so the location from the side frame to the hole in the bell crank arm is dependent on what angle the bell crank arm is rotated to. By adjusting the relay & tie rod assembly I can rotate the bell crank so the arm moves closer to the side of the frame which reduces the distance to the frame for measurement (2). If measurement two decreases that would in turn lengthen measurement (1).

I think I'm satisfied that the basic frame structure is the same and that the stabilizer that Martin purchased will work.

However the small fly in the ointment is getting access to the nut and washers for the shaft of the stabilizer where it mounts to the frame.

If you look at the picture below you'll see there is no access hole for fitting the nut and washers to the stabilizer shaft. Fortunately it's an easy fix with the use of an oxy/acetylene torch Just cut a 2" hole in the front so you can slip a socket in there. Cutting the hole would be real difficult if the front valance was attached but since neither Martin or myself has a valance on at the moment that problem is solved
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Thanks again Mike for the dimensions.
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No one said you wanted ACCURATE measurements!
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No one said you wanted ACCURATE measurements!
I just assumed since you were an Airstream owner that accurate measurements were more or less implied
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Very true. Retired carpenter also. Did you by chance measure from the outside edge of the cross member and see how that corresponds to the measurement from the frame rail. I guess that front cross member may be different on different models. Also in that last picture I dont see a corner brace like on my 310. Lots of variables. So did all the Argosys come sans steering damper? Ive been real happy with the SuperSteer bell cranks, I replaced both sides. There is a good deal of hype about them but I do feel like it was money well spent. The passenger side install was one heck of a pain in the rear because of the motor mounts for the diesel. I would buy them again no question. Good luck to both of you. Gotta get those suckers on the road so you both can start having some ftun!!!!'
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Very true. Retired carpenter also. Did you by chance measure from the outside edge of the cross member and see how that corresponds to the measurement from the frame rail. I guess that front cross member may be different on different models.
I didn't take the time last night to do that but will try for this evening. From what I remember the shape of the back side of the front cross member is somewhat different between the early Argosy and later Classics. However I don't remember what the difference is. I don't think it was enough of a difference to cause a problem.

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Also in that last picture I dont see a corner brace like on my 310. Lots of variables.
Could you post a picture of the brace you're talking about?

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So did all the Argosys come sans steering damper?
My best guess is the 74-76 Argosies did not have steering dampers. From what research I've done there was a chassis change starting in the 77 model years. The instrument cluster is a good indication of when the chassis changed. The 77 and later coaches seem to have steering dampers.

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I've been real happy with the SuperSteer bell cranks, I replaced both sides. There is a good deal of hype about them but I do feel like it was money well spent. The passenger side install was one heck of a pain in the rear because of the motor mounts for the diesel. I would buy them again no question. Good luck to both of you. Gotta get those suckers on the road so you both can start having some ftun!!!!'
I agree with your opinion of the SuperSteer bell cranks. Pricey but they certainly took out a lot of slop in the 310 steering when I replaced them.

While Martin's is on the road mine is several years away from that. I have way to much to do to it with not a whole lot of time to work on it. But I'm trying
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Mike, two more questions, the first you might not be able to answer

First, do you know the diameter of the hole in the front cross member that's required for the steering damper shaft?

Second, I should know this but can't remember. How close does the lower part of the front valance come to the front cross member? Is there room to get your hand up in there where the hole is located in the front for socket or wrench access.

I vaguely remember having a hard time reaching up into that area on my old 310 to get access to the nut on the damper shaft.

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