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Old 06-25-2015, 11:12 AM   #201
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Yes Brad, they just used the sender straight off the old tank, but new fittings, you can just about make it out in this photo.

Wow! That's a big tank, I like it! I just might look into doing something like that.

Did you come up with any solution yet to your venting problem?

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The sender is still working, although that is only just verified - they installed the circuit board from your cluster and the gauges are working (well at least the ones the can test without the engine running).
Glad to hear results have been good so far on the circuit board. One less thing for you to worry about.

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Old 06-25-2015, 11:39 AM   #202
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Did you come up with any solution yet to your venting problem?
Sort of.....but I'm not sure not having to fill the tank because the darn thing isn't running counts as a solution!

You can see the frustration in the situation....there is literally 15" of 1 3/4" pipe in the filler tube so I have no idea why it should be backing up during filling.
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Sort of.....but I'm not sure not having to fill the tank because the darn thing isn't running counts as a solution!
Think of the gas money you're saving right now

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You can see the frustration in the situation....there is literally 15" of 1 3/4" pipe in the filler tube so I have no idea why it should be backing up during filling.
When the fab shop installed the baffles do you know if they left openings at the top of each baffle? If not I can see where air would get trapped at the top of each compartment and it would take time for the air to work it's way over to the compartment that is vented.

Just thinking.....
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I did check with the fabricator, and he is sure he didn't seal off sections/create any gas traps, but short of cutting it open I have no idea how to check.
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I did check with the fabricator, and he is sure he didn't seal off sections/create any gas traps, but short of cutting it open I have no idea how to check.
Try a Bore Scope.
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I will give it a go Brad.....gives me an excuse to buy a cheap inspection camera - as if I need an excuse to buy a new 'toy'!

I think in part this is coming from the filler tube 'collapsing'. Even without the camera I can see the circular profile of the pipe is flattening out as it goes around the bend (very similar to what is shown in one of kramerbuilt's photos on his rebuild thread, apologies for borrowing your photo kramerbuilt)



With the layout of our 20ft, the filler hose is at the back of the wardrobe between the wetroom and the curbside twin bed and it isn't immediately clear if the installation of the cabinetry isn't pinching it even more.



I guess ideally this should be a bent (aluminium or steel) pipe with the flex only used to join to the filler neck and the neck, because at that OD the hose will collapse just in making the turn from the filler neck to the tank
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Maybe a simple 45 degree conduit elbow like this could be trimmed to work?

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Old 06-26-2015, 05:49 AM   #208
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Maybe a simple 45 degree conduit elbow like this could be trimmed to work?

That was what I was going to suggest.

As a test one thing you could try is using a hose clamp around the section that is colapsing to see if you can squeeze it back to a round shape. I've had limited success with this but it would be a cheap test. If the band of the clamp doesn't provide enough surface area you could wrap a strip of aluminum around it for more surface area.
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You might be able to find a pre-formed, curved hose suited for fuel use. Or, you may be able to find a ribbed style hose that is more adapted to making the curve. In addition, I've seen coil springs inside of radiator hoses. Perhaps you can do the same thing and put a coil spring inside the hose to minimize collapsing.

Find a good industrial supply hose shop, not just an auto parts store, if necessary.

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Old 06-28-2015, 06:56 PM   #210
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What about a piece of PVC conduit? You can heat it and bend it to any shape you want. Try a piece just big enough to go around the outside of the hose you have. Slide the hose inside the conduit and re-install it at both ends just like it is now.

I would be willing to bet that kink is your problem. What if you slip a piece of tubing down the filler neck at the same time you insert the gas nozzle to form a vent tube?Most of the cars I have worked on have a vent tube (about 1/2") that runs from the top of the tank up to just about the top of the filler neck right under the cap.
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Old 06-29-2015, 10:30 AM   #211
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Gas filling issue.

Having just purchased my second 1974 20' Argosy I drove it straight from Missouri to San Diego. Roughly 1800 miles in two days. At 10 miles per gallon we stopped every 200 miles for a fill up. ALWAYS a slow painful fill up with an early overflow issue if it was filled to full. Upon getting it home and having work done to it I discovered that the hose connecting from the filler to the tank was old cracked and it had shrunk. Though my sending unit had worked it failed while R/R the tank. Had to fabricate a new one to work properly. They were able to double vent the unit and put a proper flexible hose from connector to tank and all is fine. My first 20'er was gutted and I had the exact same issue filling it as you are having. The hose between filler and tank was bent exactly like yours looks in the picture. A little fabrication of a slight bend in a thin and short metal pipe allowed a radius enabling two pieces of hose to be connected to the filler pipe and tank allowing un obstructed flow. All went well. Irritating but minor set backs in the scheme of things.
Now if I could just find a Passenger side windshield to replace my cracked one!
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Old 06-29-2015, 11:59 AM   #212
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Now if I could just find a Passenger side windshield to replace my cracked one!
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The screens are available from Airstream (via any Airstream shop)....I just had two new ones installed. Although they order from Coach Glass

I am getting a small collection of them though as the pair installed when I bought it were good but the driver side cracked during delivery, the pair in the donor are good but starting to cloud along the lower edge, and I couldn't buy just the drivers side with the same color tint along the top so ended up biting the bullet and getting two new ones.
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As we are still waiting on news of the carb from Dick Paterson, my focus has moved to getting ready for 'body and paint'. New front curb side and road side banana wraps on order from Airstream Supply but also I have struck lucky on another of my failed ideas. Those following along may remember mention of installation of a porthole in the main door. The first attempt to bend a curve into the cast aluminum resulted in it snapping. The second attempt involved placing the window lower on a flatter section but when we measured up it would mean the porthole would be at chest height from inside. Means I have been watching out for a door window to be available, or a replacement door. Well a couple of doors have come and because of crazy pricing been allowed to go. Late last week a new eBay seller popped up called chrometwinkieparts. The seller (named Chris) is in the process of setting up a company (called Vintage Trailer Parts) selling.....well vintage trailer parts. The shop isn't up and running yet but the one item he has for sale (a window), included the usual "have lots of other parts - just ask" statement, so I did. He has a whole bunch of doors, one of which is very 'crunched' (far left in the image).



A very reasonable price has been agreed for just the top part of the door, including the blind and trim etc (bottom half being cut off to save shipping)

Certainly worth following the seller has the photos he sent me showing other motorhome and trailer parts is significant.
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Wonder if hes got any Keeler lock sets?
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Wonder if hes got any Keeler lock sets?
From the looks of the doors he's either sold them all or removed them because they are worth almost as much as the door itself. If not more.
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The top of the door including the window, trim and blind (although that needs work!) arrived from Vintage Trailer Parts - I'm very happy. I sent Chris an email asking about the availability of locks and will sure what he says.

In other updates, the carb is on its way back from Dick Paterson (well recommend, very fast turn around), there is even a slim chance of being back on the road for this weekend.
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Still waiting for the carb to arrive back from Dick Patterson (was posted Wednesday so en route), however, went over to the shop to install the new black out curtains.





The photos were taken at around 2pm, in direct sunlight so they work pretty well.
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Aggghhhhh! How difficult can it be get a carb returned without incident after a rebuild? Somehow the carb itself has made it but the refurbished throttle cable clip and linkage hasn't. Dick Paterson says he put it in the box, the techs at Airstream are saying it had vanished, either way I now have a nice shiny carb and no way to connect the throttle cable. Apparently the one on the Quadrajet in the donor is a different shape, so I now have to call around local salvage yards trying to find a used Quadrajet just to steal the linkage off of it!!!!!
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Martin,

I have one or two quadrajets sitting on the shelf (I think). Can you point me to some document or website that would show how to identify the missing parts so I can see if I have them?

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I'm searching for the same Brad. Apparently the throttle linkage is different for carb model to carb model, and although they have it running by taking the linkage off the donor, it was a different 'shape' (by which I think they mean different bend in the rod), and wasn't letting the accelerator shut. They have bent the donor part to fit and although the techs report it is running great, they are worried it isn't correct and should only be used for 'testing' (whatever that means).
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