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Old 07-24-2010, 04:25 PM   #15
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Hehe. Don't get me wrong - I think IKEA makes well-built and stylish furniture for home or commercial use, particularly the kitchen furniture. However, that solidity comes with a price - weight.

I have seen a Sovereign refurbishment go awry with IKEA cabinets - it looked fantastic, but they put a queen bed in back, and moved the cabinets forward and had a front kitchen to the right of the door, with no consideration of the tongue weight.

The tongue weight on their project was over 2,100 lbs when they asked for help. It took a lot of work to get it down to a safe limit. I think it was originally 710lbs and I got it down from 2,100 lbs to 860 lbs. It compromised their vision, though...

Which was a shame, because the layout LOOKED fantastic!
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Old 07-24-2010, 06:18 PM   #16
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Of course some cabinetmakers will trash talk IKEA. Didnít plumbers once do the same with plastics and Pex? If we listened to every self-interested group out there weíd still be using cast iron sewer pipes.

Pretty much all the kitchen and bath cabinetry available, Ikea and the others, use particleboard boxes. Ikea flat-packs theirs. You donít pay to ship air and putting it together yourself saves money.

(When you see how much you can pay at a kitchen ďstudioĒ you realize just how much).

Only the low-end stuff at Ikea is foil covered. They have all kinds of choices for drawer and door faces now - in solid woods, veneers, stainless, composites, etc.

I donít know about the Classic Airstream but the CCD International and the Safari models are filled with particleboard cabinets. Thereís some foil used too.

Is there a thread somewhere about these cabinets shaking apart or crumbling that Iíve missed?

To keep the drawers and pantry doors closed while traveling Iíve installed about a half dozen of these elegant stainless steel hooks (Japanese) strategically around the trailer:

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Bungee cords, hook to hook, keep everything in place. It may not look elegant while Iím rolling down the road but who cares then?


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Old 07-24-2010, 06:44 PM   #17
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I live three miles from IKEA and I am in there at least every two weeks buying cabinets for customers. I'm a cabinet assembler as well as a cabinet maker

I love most of their designs and steer people away from only a few of their cheapest products. Applying a good sealing coating to them during assembly, and machining out hidden areas to reduce weight without compromising strength would address all my concerns about using IKEA kits in an Airstream.

And it would certainly be better quality and nicer looking than anything original in a 70s or older Airstream!

In time, when I do my next refurbishment, I'll post a full photo guide of how to modify IKEA cabinets to reduce weight and increase strength. Saving 15 lbs per cabinet across six cabinets is 90lbs of extra stuff you can haul with you
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Old 07-24-2010, 10:55 PM   #18
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I donít know about the Classic Airstream but the CCD International and the Safari models are filled with particleboard cabinets. Thereís some foil used too.

Is there a thread somewhere about these cabinets shaking apart or crumbling that Iíve missed?
Hi, I have heard this over and over and over again without any proof. My overhead cabinet doors are made out of foam plastic of some sort, but every piece of wood in my trailer is plywood. [1/2" 5/8" & 3/4"] I have removed cabinets and remodeled my living room and every single piece was plywood. I have made pieces to close off possible mouse freeways in my plywood floor and plywood bed frame. I have drilled and replaced a faucet in my bathroom and the cabinets are made out of plywood. I have not found one single piece of particle board anywhere in my 2005 Safari. And those on this forum who said their Safari had particle board failed to prove it. If anyone with a newer Airstream has particle board in their trailer please post a picture of it.
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Old 07-27-2010, 10:31 PM   #19
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Bob, since you have first hand experience, I happily stand corrected. Plywood seems a very Airstream idea as well.

Many of the best aluminum renovators on this site use plywood in their projects too.

I hope you understood that I was not advocating pressed wood. As I said, if doing it all over again Iíd go stick built.

Iím just against IKEA trash talking - when their kitchen units are pretty much like every one elseís but perhaps better designed and definitely less costly.


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I know from reading the forums that the trailer folks seem to do a lot of cabinet work. I wonder, however, if a motor home's different type of suspension could be a problem with its type of jarring common in older trucks. Also what will be the affect of attaching the extra weight to the ribs and skin? I believe there was an old thread by swebster who replaced cabinetry in his later model, but I don't recall if these issues were addressed. I am curious.

I'm in the middle of my counter project, too. Until I find the answers to those questions, I'm going to try to like those cabinets.

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I live three miles from IKEA and I am in there at least every two weeks buying cabinets for customers. I'm a cabinet assembler as well as a cabinet maker

I love most of their designs and steer people away from only a few of their cheapest products. Applying a good sealing coating to them during assembly, and machining out hidden areas to reduce weight without compromising strength would address all my concerns about using IKEA kits in an Airstream.

And it would certainly be better quality and nicer looking than anything original in a 70s or older Airstream!

In time, when I do my next refurbishment, I'll post a full photo guide of how to modify IKEA cabinets to reduce weight and increase strength. Saving 15 lbs per cabinet across six cabinets is 90lbs of extra stuff you can haul with you

I too have been looking at Ikea cabinets for my Airstream and think "Dave Park" here has made the best point. Cut out the pieces so that they are just a skeleton, as I believe SmokelessJoe did. That leaves you with exposed pressboard fibers, but couldn't you seal them in a polyurethane so that everything is sealed against moisture?
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Old 08-09-2010, 09:42 PM   #22
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Absolutely. Polyerethane is good, and Thomspon Waterseal is also a suitable product to use on these types of boards where they're not visible to the customer. It's very important to treat hidden particle boards and paper products, because humidity and moisture don't care about line of sight
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New member Bungalowife wrote to ask how the IKEA was holding up over the miles....

The answer is fine. As a matter of fact, Phil, the Wiltsie employee who helped me so, so much in the early stages of the rebuild 5 or 6 years ago saw the finished thing for the first time about a week ago, when I was out at the Aylmer Fairgrounds.

" My God" he proclaimed." This is just fantastic. It looks so fresh and new that it's hard to believe anyone's been in here all these years."

My opinion about things hasn't changed from post #9 above.

(The hinge problem was cured with a little squirt of Lock-Tite).

I must say that one of the reasons that my trailer looks so great is the matching cabinetry made for me by DavidsonOverlander. His under-the-gaucho pull outs are really cool. You can't tell were the IKEA begins or ends; the interior is all of a piece.

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Hi, Thank You for the update; Glad to hear that all of your hard work has passed the test of time. [looks great] Will there be an update on the Diesel aspect of your trailer too?
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On a side note, some IKEA kitchen cabinets need added reinforcement to support granite countertops. I would think about possible humidity and moisture in the pressed wood. What happens to this in a hard freeze. I would expect delamination. Only under intense pressure from my wife will I enter as IKEA store. The footprints on the floor drive me crazy. I do like the ginger cookies though. And the wine glasses. I break so many of them quality isn't much of an issue with me.

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I used 3 Ikea glass doors, 4 Rational drawers, the garbage container drawer and the 1" wooden counter top to build my own kitchen.
I did not use the particle board cabinetry however and opted instead to building the frame out of solid maple. To reduce weight on the counter top, I removed lots of material on the under side using a router.
After 6 month and a couple of trips, it seems to hold up quite nicely and i sure looks good. Check out my pictures.
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